Westminster attacker
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On one of the original threads I wrote this
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Apologists already out in force to plead that not all Muslims are terrorists. When the media can no longer withhold information that the attacker is a Muslim already known to the police we'll be told they have a mental illness.
Attacker was a Muslim and known to police, further more it now turns out the media did have pictures of him injured after the attack but chose to only publish ones of him obscured by officers etc. Anyway, what I really want to say is that in Jane Moore's[^] column in The Sun yesterday (a "downmarket" UK tabloid newspaper) her main piece was about how the attack was nothing to do with Islam but that the attacker has a mental illness, that we shouldn't "blame IS" for these attacks but that we should blame the poor record we have of treating people with mental illnesses. This cycle of nonsense is so common now, how can we ever seriously discuss the threat of Islam when the media is constantly denying there is any problem at all.
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On one of the original threads I wrote this
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Apologists already out in force to plead that not all Muslims are terrorists. When the media can no longer withhold information that the attacker is a Muslim already known to the police we'll be told they have a mental illness.
Attacker was a Muslim and known to police, further more it now turns out the media did have pictures of him injured after the attack but chose to only publish ones of him obscured by officers etc. Anyway, what I really want to say is that in Jane Moore's[^] column in The Sun yesterday (a "downmarket" UK tabloid newspaper) her main piece was about how the attack was nothing to do with Islam but that the attacker has a mental illness, that we shouldn't "blame IS" for these attacks but that we should blame the poor record we have of treating people with mental illnesses. This cycle of nonsense is so common now, how can we ever seriously discuss the threat of Islam when the media is constantly denying there is any problem at all.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
This cycle of nonsense is so common now, how can we ever seriously discuss the threat of Islam when the media is constantly denying there is any problem at all.
Except crying when they offend some extremist that burst into their offices, killing unprepared policemen on their way in, and fills them full of holes. But a couple of days later their best answer is... coloured chalks, rainbow flags and maybe some torchlight procession. Lemmings...
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
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On one of the original threads I wrote this
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Apologists already out in force to plead that not all Muslims are terrorists. When the media can no longer withhold information that the attacker is a Muslim already known to the police we'll be told they have a mental illness.
Attacker was a Muslim and known to police, further more it now turns out the media did have pictures of him injured after the attack but chose to only publish ones of him obscured by officers etc. Anyway, what I really want to say is that in Jane Moore's[^] column in The Sun yesterday (a "downmarket" UK tabloid newspaper) her main piece was about how the attack was nothing to do with Islam but that the attacker has a mental illness, that we shouldn't "blame IS" for these attacks but that we should blame the poor record we have of treating people with mental illnesses. This cycle of nonsense is so common now, how can we ever seriously discuss the threat of Islam when the media is constantly denying there is any problem at all.
All muslims are mentally ill. All religious people are.
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All muslims are mentally ill. All religious people are.
Having imaginary friends after childhood is mental illness. If I call him Napoleone Bonaparte I get detained and ill-considered, if i call him Jesus or Allah or whatever then I'm pious and well received by society.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
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Having imaginary friends after childhood is mental illness. If I call him Napoleone Bonaparte I get detained and ill-considered, if i call him Jesus or Allah or whatever then I'm pious and well received by society.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
:) I have a god. It is me! :)
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:) I have a god. It is me! :)
Well, I have a god too, but it is me. You are therefore a heathen and must be killed! I declare a fatwa AND a crusade (why limiting oneself? Better be sure in the name of god) against you!
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
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Well, I have a god too, but it is me. You are therefore a heathen and must be killed! I declare a fatwa AND a crusade (why limiting oneself? Better be sure in the name of god) against you!
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
Heretic! There is but one True God, and his name is Sithrak, the Blind Gibberer: Even now Sithrak oils the spit[^] You shall suffer eternal torments for your false beliefs. (No worse than the ones believers get, mind.)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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On one of the original threads I wrote this
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Apologists already out in force to plead that not all Muslims are terrorists. When the media can no longer withhold information that the attacker is a Muslim already known to the police we'll be told they have a mental illness.
Attacker was a Muslim and known to police, further more it now turns out the media did have pictures of him injured after the attack but chose to only publish ones of him obscured by officers etc. Anyway, what I really want to say is that in Jane Moore's[^] column in The Sun yesterday (a "downmarket" UK tabloid newspaper) her main piece was about how the attack was nothing to do with Islam but that the attacker has a mental illness, that we shouldn't "blame IS" for these attacks but that we should blame the poor record we have of treating people with mental illnesses. This cycle of nonsense is so common now, how can we ever seriously discuss the threat of Islam when the media is constantly denying there is any problem at all.
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Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom, with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, 4.4% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).
And the Westminster attack was the best that nearly 3m people could manage? Hey, perhaps not all Muslims are terrorists, after all. Within any grouping of people, there are those who have personality disorders, sociopaths, psychopaths, politicians, whatever. Does that reflect on the entire group? The only person who has ever expressed hatred of me, was an Irish Catholic colleague. He explained that it was nothing personal, merely the fact that I was English. (And this before the resurrection of 'The Troubles' in the 1960s). I have never considered all Irish Catholics to be terrorists, although it is undeniable that some are. None of my Muslim colleagues have ever given any indication of similar sentiments. (Even those with beards, robes, and prayer mats in the rest room.) Far from it, they joined in all social activities.
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Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom, with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, 4.4% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).
And the Westminster attack was the best that nearly 3m people could manage? Hey, perhaps not all Muslims are terrorists, after all. Within any grouping of people, there are those who have personality disorders, sociopaths, psychopaths, politicians, whatever. Does that reflect on the entire group? The only person who has ever expressed hatred of me, was an Irish Catholic colleague. He explained that it was nothing personal, merely the fact that I was English. (And this before the resurrection of 'The Troubles' in the 1960s). I have never considered all Irish Catholics to be terrorists, although it is undeniable that some are. None of my Muslim colleagues have ever given any indication of similar sentiments. (Even those with beards, robes, and prayer mats in the rest room.) Far from it, they joined in all social activities.
I imagine all religions have there fanatics, it just seems to me that islam has a dramatically higher percentage than any other religion and it seems it's teachings can be twisted to meet their needs much easier than most others. The great Ghu on the other hand has no fanatics at all.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom, with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, 4.4% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).
And the Westminster attack was the best that nearly 3m people could manage? Hey, perhaps not all Muslims are terrorists, after all. Within any grouping of people, there are those who have personality disorders, sociopaths, psychopaths, politicians, whatever. Does that reflect on the entire group? The only person who has ever expressed hatred of me, was an Irish Catholic colleague. He explained that it was nothing personal, merely the fact that I was English. (And this before the resurrection of 'The Troubles' in the 1960s). I have never considered all Irish Catholics to be terrorists, although it is undeniable that some are. None of my Muslim colleagues have ever given any indication of similar sentiments. (Even those with beards, robes, and prayer mats in the rest room.) Far from it, they joined in all social activities.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Hey, perhaps not all Muslims are terrorists, after all.
Straw-man argument, I didn't say they were.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
None of my Muslim colleagues have ever given any indication of similar sentiments.
Not to you, no.
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I imagine all religions have there fanatics, it just seems to me that islam has a dramatically higher percentage than any other religion and it seems it's teachings can be twisted to meet their needs much easier than most others. The great Ghu on the other hand has no fanatics at all.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
it just seems to me that islam has a dramatically higher percentage than any other religion
Because of the political situation in the Middle East. It seems to me that "The West" has deliberately kept the Middle East in a state of confusion and frustration. Initially, the terrorists were radical "Communists". Having failed, they have been replaced by radical "Islamists". (Similar to Iran, secular Left-leaning Government overthrown by the USA & UK, puppet dictator installed, and all "Communist" opposition destroyed. Consequence - puppet overthrown by organized religious right rather than secular left.)
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
it's teachings can be twisted to meet their needs much easier than most others.
They don't need to be twisted - Semetic religions preach violence. The "Peace" bit comes when you have submitted. (Except you then find that there are two and seventy jarring Sects - and yet more violence, 'cos all the other Sects have got it wrong.) It is Christian terrorists who have to totally ignore their Prophet's teachings in order to drop bombs from 30,000 feet on innocent Muslims, to bring a Dictatorship to its knees.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
it just seems to me that islam has a dramatically higher percentage than any other religion
Because of the political situation in the Middle East. It seems to me that "The West" has deliberately kept the Middle East in a state of confusion and frustration. Initially, the terrorists were radical "Communists". Having failed, they have been replaced by radical "Islamists". (Similar to Iran, secular Left-leaning Government overthrown by the USA & UK, puppet dictator installed, and all "Communist" opposition destroyed. Consequence - puppet overthrown by organized religious right rather than secular left.)
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
it's teachings can be twisted to meet their needs much easier than most others.
They don't need to be twisted - Semetic religions preach violence. The "Peace" bit comes when you have submitted. (Except you then find that there are two and seventy jarring Sects - and yet more violence, 'cos all the other Sects have got it wrong.) It is Christian terrorists who have to totally ignore their Prophet's teachings in order to drop bombs from 30,000 feet on innocent Muslims, to bring a Dictatorship to its knees.
Yeah, what about that communist manifesto and it's preachings that non-Communists should be killed, rape victims should be killed, homosexuals should be killed, women should have no rights. Thank God all those commies have gone, huh?
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NoNotThatBob wrote:
Hey, perhaps not all Muslims are terrorists, after all.
Straw-man argument, I didn't say they were.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
None of my Muslim colleagues have ever given any indication of similar sentiments.
Not to you, no.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Straw-man argument, I didn't say they were.
Hypersensitivity. I didn't say you did.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Not to you, no.
Drink much coffee?
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Straw-man argument, I didn't say they were.
Hypersensitivity. I didn't say you did.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Not to you, no.
Drink much coffee?
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Hypersensitivity. I didn't say you did.
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perhaps not all Muslims are terrorists, after all.
The "after all" part of your comment suggests you did.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
it just seems to me that islam has a dramatically higher percentage than any other religion
Because of the political situation in the Middle East. It seems to me that "The West" has deliberately kept the Middle East in a state of confusion and frustration. Initially, the terrorists were radical "Communists". Having failed, they have been replaced by radical "Islamists". (Similar to Iran, secular Left-leaning Government overthrown by the USA & UK, puppet dictator installed, and all "Communist" opposition destroyed. Consequence - puppet overthrown by organized religious right rather than secular left.)
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
it's teachings can be twisted to meet their needs much easier than most others.
They don't need to be twisted - Semetic religions preach violence. The "Peace" bit comes when you have submitted. (Except you then find that there are two and seventy jarring Sects - and yet more violence, 'cos all the other Sects have got it wrong.) It is Christian terrorists who have to totally ignore their Prophet's teachings in order to drop bombs from 30,000 feet on innocent Muslims, to bring a Dictatorship to its knees.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
It is Christian terrorists who have to totally ignore their Prophet's teachings in order to drop bombs from 30,000 feet on innocent Muslims, to bring a Dictatorship to its knees.
I'm assuming you are talking about the US Air force, which make that statement bloody stupid. USAF is not a religious organisation.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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NoNotThatBob wrote:
It is Christian terrorists who have to totally ignore their Prophet's teachings in order to drop bombs from 30,000 feet on innocent Muslims, to bring a Dictatorship to its knees.
I'm assuming you are talking about the US Air force, which make that statement bloody stupid. USAF is not a religious organisation.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
He's more likely referring to Blair and Bush.
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Yeah, what about that communist manifesto and it's preachings that non-Communists should be killed, rape victims should be killed, homosexuals should be killed, women should have no rights. Thank God all those commies have gone, huh?
The quotes around Communist and Islamist indicate a label of convenience. The "Communists" were Muslims who wished for a modern, secular, Muslim state. Some of these had Socialist leanings - hence the label. The "Islamists" are Muslims who wish for a mediæval, religious, Muslim state. Some of these carry out the Prophet's teachings to the letter - hence the label.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Yeah, what about that communist manifesto and it's preachings that non-Communists should be killed, rape victims should be killed, homosexuals should be killed, women should have no rights.
You may have time to waste for reading political Victoriana, I haven't . If what you say is true, all these punishments (except the treatment of rape victims) are present in the Old Testament. (As are those performed by extreme Muslims.) Thank God nobody reads the Bible any more, huh?
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NoNotThatBob wrote:
It is Christian terrorists who have to totally ignore their Prophet's teachings in order to drop bombs from 30,000 feet on innocent Muslims, to bring a Dictatorship to its knees.
I'm assuming you are talking about the US Air force, which make that statement bloody stupid. USAF is not a religious organisation.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
USAF is not a religious organisation.
So, all servicemen are secular? Not a (nominal) Christian among them?
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NoNotThatBob wrote:
Hypersensitivity. I didn't say you did.
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perhaps not all Muslims are terrorists, after all.
The "after all" part of your comment suggests you did.
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Apologists already out in force to plead that not all Muslims are terrorists.
That did not imply that you believe all Muslims to be terrorists. It does imply that you consider those who write "not all Muslims are terrorists" to be apologists. Hence
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perhaps not all Muslims are terrorists, after all.
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He's more likely referring to Blair and Bush.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Blair and Bush.
Those too, but the bombs would not have fallen without the USAF crews. Many of whom claim to be Christian.
