US warplanes bomb Al Jazeera office, kill journalist
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And a Reuters journalist was killed. Soldiers are taking sniper fire from various buildings in the city. They ARE in a W-A-R Z-O-N-E. You know, a place where lots of people are shooting at lots of other people. And in this case, one side has no qualms about hiding behind woman and children and, apparently, journalists. (Also note that journalists, and everyone else, were repeatedly warned that hotels and business buildings [such as where Al Jazeera was] would be considered valid targets. By staying, those journalists chose to ignore that warning and accept that risk.)
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And a Reuters journalist was killed. Soldiers are taking sniper fire from various buildings in the city. They ARE in a W-A-R Z-O-N-E. You know, a place where lots of people are shooting at lots of other people. And in this case, one side has no qualms about hiding behind woman and children and, apparently, journalists. (Also note that journalists, and everyone else, were repeatedly warned that hotels and business buildings [such as where Al Jazeera was] would be considered valid targets. By staying, those journalists chose to ignore that warning and accept that risk.)
Joe Woodbury wrote: They ARE in a W-A-R Z-O-N-E. they are also in a city full of civillians. you can't just blow up buildings on a hunch. -c
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Joe Woodbury wrote: They ARE in a W-A-R Z-O-N-E. they are also in a city full of civillians. you can't just blow up buildings on a hunch. -c
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Even if people are shooting at you from said building? Mmmm. Well, the truth will out before too long - either Iraqis were indeed using it as a cover to take potshots at the yanks, or some tank commander dropped the ball.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
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Joe Woodbury wrote: They ARE in a W-A-R Z-O-N-E. they are also in a city full of civillians. you can't just blow up buildings on a hunch. -c
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Even if people are shooting at you from said building? Mmmm. Well, the truth will out before too long - either Iraqis were indeed using it as a cover to take potshots at the yanks, or some tank commander dropped the ball.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Even if people are shooting at you from said building? the journalists i've heard, who were living in said building, said they'd never heard any gunfire coming from the building. the only thing they could think of was that some journalists have been on the top of the building with binoculars. and, what kind of intelligence service doesn't know where the journalists are staying? -c
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Jason Henderson wrote: Sniper fire was coming from the building not according to the reports i heard. -c
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Jason Henderson wrote: Sniper fire was coming from the building not according to the reports i heard. -c
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Even if people are shooting at you from said building? the journalists i've heard, who were living in said building, said they'd never heard any gunfire coming from the building. the only thing they could think of was that some journalists have been on the top of the building with binoculars. and, what kind of intelligence service doesn't know where the journalists are staying? -c
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=1503&e=3&u=/afp/20030408/ts_afp/iraq_war_baghdad_media_030408145143[^]
Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhino surprises. the military defends what it did. the journalists have a different story. you choose one side; i choose the other. -c
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no surprises. the military defends what it did. the journalists have a different story. you choose one side; i choose the other. -c
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Visual evidence good enough for you? "Abu Dhabi TV aired harrowing live footage Tuesday showing its camera position under attack. As they filmed the arrival of two US tanks on a major bridge in central Baghdad close to their offices overlooking the river, what appeared to be Iraqi machinegun fire clattered out from just beneath the camera position." Our troops wouldn't just fire on a journalist for the heck of it.
Jason Henderson
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Joe Woodbury wrote: They ARE in a W-A-R Z-O-N-E. they are also in a city full of civillians. you can't just blow up buildings on a hunch. -c
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Sure you can- watch the news - Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
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Joe Woodbury wrote: They ARE in a W-A-R Z-O-N-E. they are also in a city full of civillians. you can't just blow up buildings on a hunch. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: they are also in a city full of civillians. And if they had been hanging around those civilians, they wouldn't have been killed. Instead they were in the middle of the battle! Watching it! (I would have chosen the "hide in basement" option.) Chris Losinger wrote: you can't just blow up buildings on a hunch. The American forces weren't. They were firing at what they believed to be the source of the opposing fire. The money quote is: General Buford Blount, commander of the 3rd Infantry Division said: "The tank was receiving fire from the hotel, RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) and small-arms fire, and engaged with one tank round. The firing stopped." Please note: "The firing stopped." (Far too many of these so-called "war" journalists have displayed such extreme ignorance of all aspects of war, I simply don't trust their statements of where sniper fire may have originated. Apparently, they aren't even aware that the soldiers being fired upon aren't responding to sound, but muzzle flash and other indicators.)
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Visual evidence good enough for you? "Abu Dhabi TV aired harrowing live footage Tuesday showing its camera position under attack. As they filmed the arrival of two US tanks on a major bridge in central Baghdad close to their offices overlooking the river, what appeared to be Iraqi machinegun fire clattered out from just beneath the camera position." Our troops wouldn't just fire on a journalist for the heck of it.
Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhimaybe we're talking about two different incidents here. i'm talking about the hotel where journalists have been staying, not al-J's offices.
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Chris Losinger wrote: they are also in a city full of civillians. And if they had been hanging around those civilians, they wouldn't have been killed. Instead they were in the middle of the battle! Watching it! (I would have chosen the "hide in basement" option.) Chris Losinger wrote: you can't just blow up buildings on a hunch. The American forces weren't. They were firing at what they believed to be the source of the opposing fire. The money quote is: General Buford Blount, commander of the 3rd Infantry Division said: "The tank was receiving fire from the hotel, RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) and small-arms fire, and engaged with one tank round. The firing stopped." Please note: "The firing stopped." (Far too many of these so-called "war" journalists have displayed such extreme ignorance of all aspects of war, I simply don't trust their statements of where sniper fire may have originated. Apparently, they aren't even aware that the soldiers being fired upon aren't responding to sound, but muzzle flash and other indicators.)
Joe Woodbury wrote: And if they had been hanging around those civilians, they wouldn't have been killed. err. what? yes yes, i know what the military said. i also know what the journalist said. feel free to believe who you want, and i'll do the same. -c
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Joe Woodbury wrote: And if they had been hanging around those civilians, they wouldn't have been killed. err. what? yes yes, i know what the military said. i also know what the journalist said. feel free to believe who you want, and i'll do the same. -c
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Do you refuse to believe that Saddam loyalists would hide behind journalists and civilians? Iraqi "minders" are still monitoring the journalists in Baghdad and I've noticed those journalists reporting from there are tilted way more towards the Iraqi point of view. I would rather believe our well trained soldiers than journalists with guns in their backs.
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Do you refuse to believe that Saddam loyalists would hide behind journalists and civilians? Iraqi "minders" are still monitoring the journalists in Baghdad and I've noticed those journalists reporting from there are tilted way more towards the Iraqi point of view. I would rather believe our well trained soldiers than journalists with guns in their backs.
Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - GandhiJason Henderson wrote: Do you refuse to believe that Saddam loyalists would hide behind journalists and civilians? no. but i also know that 75% of every "breaking" news story that's been posted here in the past weeks has turned out to be utterly false. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=MPZEBYHT2SKIOCRBAELCFEY?type=focusIraqNews&storyID=2528603[^] "Reports indicate the coalition force operating near the hotel took fire from the lobby of the hotel and returned fire." But when asked why the tank hit a floor so high up, he said: "I may have misspoken on exactly where the fire came from." -c
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Jason Henderson wrote: Do you refuse to believe that Saddam loyalists would hide behind journalists and civilians? no. but i also know that 75% of every "breaking" news story that's been posted here in the past weeks has turned out to be utterly false. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=MPZEBYHT2SKIOCRBAELCFEY?type=focusIraqNews&storyID=2528603[^] "Reports indicate the coalition force operating near the hotel took fire from the lobby of the hotel and returned fire." But when asked why the tank hit a floor so high up, he said: "I may have misspoken on exactly where the fire came from." -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: But when asked why the tank hit a floor so high up, he said: "I may have misspoken on exactly where the fire came from." That was General Brooks at Cental Command explaining the report from the field. It does nothing to diminish the original report. Other quote from cited article: "Clearly the war, and all its confusion, have come to the heart of Baghdad, but the incident nonetheless raises questions about the judgment of the advancing U.S. troops who have known all along that this hotel is the main base for almost all foreign journalists in Baghdad," Linnebank said. Yeah and so do the Iraqis, dumbass. (And the Iraqi military has no qualms about killing journalists, they have already killed several, both targeted and as "collateral damage", or using woman and children as shields, for that matter. They've also hidden in, and shot from, some of Islam's holiest sites which, unlike hotels, ARE "prohibited" targets.)
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Chris Losinger wrote: But when asked why the tank hit a floor so high up, he said: "I may have misspoken on exactly where the fire came from." That was General Brooks at Cental Command explaining the report from the field. It does nothing to diminish the original report. Other quote from cited article: "Clearly the war, and all its confusion, have come to the heart of Baghdad, but the incident nonetheless raises questions about the judgment of the advancing U.S. troops who have known all along that this hotel is the main base for almost all foreign journalists in Baghdad," Linnebank said. Yeah and so do the Iraqis, dumbass. (And the Iraqi military has no qualms about killing journalists, they have already killed several, both targeted and as "collateral damage", or using woman and children as shields, for that matter. They've also hidden in, and shot from, some of Islam's holiest sites which, unlike hotels, ARE "prohibited" targets.)
the only way to deal with the situation was to shoot the building with a cannon? you don't think there might have been a way to take out these reported snipers in a way that wouldn't kill journalists? Joe Woodbury wrote: "collateral damage" let's not get too righteous on that particular point. -c
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