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<sardonic> If we're bandying statistics, how about these: [The worst genocides of the 20th and 21st centuries](http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html) Murders committed by good God-fearing Christians: Over 27,000,000 This includes genocides by Hitler, King Leopold of Belgium, and Stalin (who was educated at a seminary), etc. Leaving out Stalin, we still have over 20,000,000 murders. Murders committed by good Allah-fearing Moslems: Over 4,000,000 This includes the Armenian genocide by the Turks, etc. Perhaps it's the Christians we should be banning from Europe... </sardonic>
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But were those genocides done in the name of Christianity? I don't know about King Leopold, but neither Hitler nor Stalin belongs to the category "good God-fearing Christians", they were rather both opponents to Christianity. Then again, the same is valid for the Turks.
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[God as the Original Terrorist: How the Bible Condones Atrocious Acts of Terror | Alternet](http://www.alternet.org/belief/god-original-terrorist-how-bible-condones-atrocious-acts-terror) > By one count, the Quran has only 532 cruel or violent passages, while the Bible has 1,321. Christians respond that the Bible is longer, so the cruel, violent passages make up a smaller percent of the whole. [Christianity and violence - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity\_and\_violence) Just saying. Marc
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Can't we leave religion out of a terrorism discussion? No. No we can't, apparently. We'd all be better off without any belief system that involves some imaginary man in the sky. I'm sure we'd still find other excuses for hating each other however, but I'd be willing to give it a shot.
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But were those genocides done in the name of Christianity? I don't know about King Leopold, but neither Hitler nor Stalin belongs to the category "good God-fearing Christians", they were rather both opponents to Christianity. Then again, the same is valid for the Turks.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Didn't you notice the <sardonic> tags round my post? I even marked them in bold!
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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:rose:
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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Didn't you notice the <sardonic> tags round my post? I even marked them in bold!
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
sardonic (sɑːʳdɒnɪk ) adjective If you describe someone as sardonic, you mean their attitude to people or things is humorous but rather critical.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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[God as the Original Terrorist: How the Bible Condones Atrocious Acts of Terror | Alternet](http://www.alternet.org/belief/god-original-terrorist-how-bible-condones-atrocious-acts-terror) > By one count, the Quran has only 532 cruel or violent passages, while the Bible has 1,321. Christians respond that the Bible is longer, so the cruel, violent passages make up a smaller percent of the whole. [Christianity and violence - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity\_and\_violence) Just saying. Marc
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[God as the Original Terrorist: How the Bible Condones Atrocious Acts of Terror | Alternet](http://www.alternet.org/belief/god-original-terrorist-how-bible-condones-atrocious-acts-terror) > By one count, the Quran has only 532 cruel or violent passages, while the Bible has 1,321. Christians respond that the Bible is longer, so the cruel, violent passages make up a smaller percent of the whole. [Christianity and violence - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity\_and\_violence) Just saying. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Just saying.
What exactly are you "sayin"? That Islamic terrorism needs to be excused because other people have done it? Those other people are not doing it right now. Right now it's the islamists, not the Christians.
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Let me be the first to congratulate you on using a tragedy to peddle your own brand of hatred. It's so refreshing to see a post like this at such an inappropriate point. I am sure those friends of mine, who identify as Muslim, are secretly plotting to terrorise me by being the first people who got in touch with me last night to say how horrified they are. It's all a subtle plot on their part. I see it now. Thank you for enlightening me. I am now, also a small minded xenophobe.
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Pete, I understand the validity of your points. Would love to discuss further with you in the soapbox in the future when it's not so raw, but we both know it will not sway either of our point of view. But I'd like to give a tiny example. English football fans had a reputation for hooliganism. Now when we go abroad lots are banned from travelling ( those with known links to hooliganism/Isis). The ones that are allowed to travel (normal football fans/ moderate muslims) get extra police attention, In some cases get penned in or treated badly etc. Basically the majority get treated badly because of the actions of a minority of our following. We understand why and we accept it.
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[God as the Original Terrorist: How the Bible Condones Atrocious Acts of Terror | Alternet](http://www.alternet.org/belief/god-original-terrorist-how-bible-condones-atrocious-acts-terror) > By one count, the Quran has only 532 cruel or violent passages, while the Bible has 1,321. Christians respond that the Bible is longer, so the cruel, violent passages make up a smaller percent of the whole. [Christianity and violence - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity\_and\_violence) Just saying. Marc
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PJ Arends wrote:
A long as western society continues to coddle and defend an ideology that is diametrically opposed to everything that western society stands for, these kinds of attacks will continue to happen.
And there is the rub, we - the west - believe that all people should have the freedom to think; to speak; to worship; to education as they wish provided it doesn't harm others. Fanatics - of all sorts, not just these a*seholes - don't want that because it exposes the holes in their ideology that keeps them in power and others ground under them. You can't defeat fanatics with violence, it makes them victims and increases their sense of moral justification and thus the numbers they can get to follow their twisted methodology. Only education and removing the conditions under which they can recruit new members can win in the long run. The current series of attacks smell of desperation: ISIS / ISIL are facing military losses; territorial losses; and probably feel that they need some kind of "triumph" to prevent desertion of those in their own ranks who can see what is happening.
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