What do you think about blocking embedded cryptocurrency miners?
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Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware? I mean webmaster implied that cost of viewing the site is your privacy, I you don't like it, don't wa... oh wait, they already got your data! I block: - all scripts (only few domains white-listed) - all cookies (only few domains white-listed) - ads - all referral info Should I block anything else?
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Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware? I mean webmaster implied that cost of viewing the site is your privacy, I you don't like it, don't wa... oh wait, they already got your data! I block: - all scripts (only few domains white-listed) - all cookies (only few domains white-listed) - ads - all referral info Should I block anything else?
Mladen Janković wrote:
Should I block anything else?
Your internet connection...
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Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware? I mean webmaster implied that cost of viewing the site is your privacy, I you don't like it, don't wa... oh wait, they already got your data! I block: - all scripts (only few domains white-listed) - all cookies (only few domains white-listed) - ads - all referral info Should I block anything else?
Mladen Janković wrote:
or even blocking malware?
If you can't see how blocking malware is different than blocking ads then I don't think someone explaining it to you will help.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Mladen Janković wrote:
or even blocking malware?
If you can't see how blocking malware is different than blocking ads then I don't think someone explaining it to you will help.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
But can you see how they're similar?
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But can you see how they're similar?
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
But can you see how they're similar?
Only that you don't want either of them. I receive junk mail but receiving anthrax in my junk mail is quite different. :laugh:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Mladen Janković wrote:
or even blocking malware?
If you can't see how blocking malware is different than blocking ads then I don't think someone explaining it to you will help.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
011111100010 wrote:
explaining it to you
Please entertain us, but do it from perspective of a site owner. Bonus question, please define boundary between ads and adware. I mean we should know when we're committing act of stealing and when we're just rightfully blocking something. Is this boundary universal for each and every user? Btw. you conveniently skipped the first question.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
But can you see how they're similar?
Only that you don't want either of them. I receive junk mail but receiving anthrax in my junk mail is quite different. :laugh:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
011111100010 wrote:
you don't want
Stuffing my mailbox with junk so my actual mail cannot fit there is bit more troublesome than "me not wanting junk mail".
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Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware? I mean webmaster implied that cost of viewing the site is your privacy, I you don't like it, don't wa... oh wait, they already got your data! I block: - all scripts (only few domains white-listed) - all cookies (only few domains white-listed) - ads - all referral info Should I block anything else?
Ads are theft. Blocking ads simply protects you from theft.
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Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware? I mean webmaster implied that cost of viewing the site is your privacy, I you don't like it, don't wa... oh wait, they already got your data! I block: - all scripts (only few domains white-listed) - all cookies (only few domains white-listed) - ads - all referral info Should I block anything else?
"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before." Mae West
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
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Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware? I mean webmaster implied that cost of viewing the site is your privacy, I you don't like it, don't wa... oh wait, they already got your data! I block: - all scripts (only few domains white-listed) - all cookies (only few domains white-listed) - ads - all referral info Should I block anything else?
And not blocking ads is stealing my concentration and time. Should I sue? If you don't use an ad blocker, at least with ads, they are visible. How many websites tell you "this website contains an embedded miner, would you like to proceed with having someone else make some profit while you're visiting our website?" Even worse, according to fhwa.dot.gov: > it requires the Federal Highway Administration to ensure that the State transportation departments maintain "effective control of the erection and maintenance" of signs, displays, or devices... So yet again, I'm actually paying for ads through my tax dollars. As an aside, given the text in the quotes (no, I really didn't make that up, it's actually on [their website](https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/faq.cfm#question33)) one could have a field day with that. The thing I don't understand is when people say it's stealing, or even here on CP, that ads help pay for the site. My understanding is that ad blockers remove the ad after it's been downloaded from the server, so exactly how is costing the website money? The ad is downloaded, what happens on the client side, whether I use an ad blocker or masking tape, shouldn't affect the website's revenue, right? If revenue is generated only when clicking on an ad, well, sorry folks, but being of at least some intelligence, I never click on an ad. So, where's the "theft"?
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And not blocking ads is stealing my concentration and time. Should I sue? If you don't use an ad blocker, at least with ads, they are visible. How many websites tell you "this website contains an embedded miner, would you like to proceed with having someone else make some profit while you're visiting our website?" Even worse, according to fhwa.dot.gov: > it requires the Federal Highway Administration to ensure that the State transportation departments maintain "effective control of the erection and maintenance" of signs, displays, or devices... So yet again, I'm actually paying for ads through my tax dollars. As an aside, given the text in the quotes (no, I really didn't make that up, it's actually on [their website](https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/faq.cfm#question33)) one could have a field day with that. The thing I don't understand is when people say it's stealing, or even here on CP, that ads help pay for the site. My understanding is that ad blockers remove the ad after it's been downloaded from the server, so exactly how is costing the website money? The ad is downloaded, what happens on the client side, whether I use an ad blocker or masking tape, shouldn't affect the website's revenue, right? If revenue is generated only when clicking on an ad, well, sorry folks, but being of at least some intelligence, I never click on an ad. So, where's the "theft"?
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The problem with ads is they are often served with much nastier stuff, even if you don't click them, like trackers, unsecure code or even old-fashioned malware. I haven't seen a single site notifying me that it's going to track me what I do (even when I visit other sites) or make my system insecure. So in the end, they are not much different than malware. In the end, every user has the right to determine what is running on the machine, any other way is just ridiculously unsustainable. #MyBrowserMyChoice
Marc Clifton wrote:
My understanding is that ad blockers remove the ad after it's been downloaded from the server
There are two kinds of filters: network and cosmetic. Ads are blocked on network level (ad blocker prevents requests to known ad networks) whenever is possible. Some ads cannot be blocked in this way because they are not that different from normal traffic on network level. So these kind of ads are blocked on DOM level where ad blocker removed part of HTML known to contain ads.
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011111100010 wrote:
explaining it to you
Please entertain us, but do it from perspective of a site owner. Bonus question, please define boundary between ads and adware. I mean we should know when we're committing act of stealing and when we're just rightfully blocking something. Is this boundary universal for each and every user? Btw. you conveniently skipped the first question.
Mladen Janković wrote:
adware
You're changing the topic. No thanks.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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011111100010 wrote:
you don't want
Stuffing my mailbox with junk so my actual mail cannot fit there is bit more troublesome than "me not wanting junk mail".
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Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware? I mean webmaster implied that cost of viewing the site is your privacy, I you don't like it, don't wa... oh wait, they already got your data! I block: - all scripts (only few domains white-listed) - all cookies (only few domains white-listed) - ads - all referral info Should I block anything else?
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Mladen Janković wrote:
adware
You're changing the topic. No thanks.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Lol :laugh: Malware, short for malicious software, is an umbrella term used to refer to a variety of forms of harmful or intrusive software,[1] including computer viruses, worms, Trojan horses, ransomware, spyware, adware, scareware, and other malicious programs. You're trying really hard to avoid defending your position.
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Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware? I mean webmaster implied that cost of viewing the site is your privacy, I you don't like it, don't wa... oh wait, they already got your data! I block: - all scripts (only few domains white-listed) - all cookies (only few domains white-listed) - ads - all referral info Should I block anything else?
Mladen Janković wrote:
Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware?
Sorry, but this is a ridiculous question. :| IMHO it's all about intent...If the goal is to steal, extort, or install something without notification (with the exception of MS :laugh: ), then the authors of such content should go die in a fire. :fire: (isn't there a symbol for fire?) That said, I don't use adblocker or special hosts file, but I understand why others do. As others have asked, how is it stealing when the adblocking is done on the client?...the server doesn't know or care if the ad was blocked or viewed?...the website has done it's job and sent the ad. If you/they mean that the 'theft' is that the audience/user was denied the clever marketing blurb/video that some big name company paid money to produce and disseminate, then all I can do is laugh, since that is also a ridiculous argument as I just ignore them anyway! :laugh: (except of course those famous Carls Jr./Hardee's ads...I mean who doesn't like a good burger!)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Lol :laugh: Malware, short for malicious software, is an umbrella term used to refer to a variety of forms of harmful or intrusive software,[1] including computer viruses, worms, Trojan horses, ransomware, spyware, adware, scareware, and other malicious programs. You're trying really hard to avoid defending your position.
Mladen Janković wrote:
sed to refer to a variety of forms of harmful or intrusive software,[1] including computer viruses, worms, Trojan horses, ransomware, spyware, adware, scareware, and other malicious programs.
Thanks. You proved yourself wrong.
Mladen Janković wrote:
You're trying really hard to avoid defending your position.
I didn't know it needed defending. I'm OK with you having a different opinion than me.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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And not blocking ads is stealing my concentration and time. Should I sue? If you don't use an ad blocker, at least with ads, they are visible. How many websites tell you "this website contains an embedded miner, would you like to proceed with having someone else make some profit while you're visiting our website?" Even worse, according to fhwa.dot.gov: > it requires the Federal Highway Administration to ensure that the State transportation departments maintain "effective control of the erection and maintenance" of signs, displays, or devices... So yet again, I'm actually paying for ads through my tax dollars. As an aside, given the text in the quotes (no, I really didn't make that up, it's actually on [their website](https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/faq.cfm#question33)) one could have a field day with that. The thing I don't understand is when people say it's stealing, or even here on CP, that ads help pay for the site. My understanding is that ad blockers remove the ad after it's been downloaded from the server, so exactly how is costing the website money? The ad is downloaded, what happens on the client side, whether I use an ad blocker or masking tape, shouldn't affect the website's revenue, right? If revenue is generated only when clicking on an ad, well, sorry folks, but being of at least some intelligence, I never click on an ad. So, where's the "theft"?
Latest Article - Code Review - What You Can Learn From a Single Line of Code Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Marc Clifton wrote:
it requires the Federal Highway Administration to ensure that the State transportation departments maintain "effective control of the erection and maintenance" of signs, displays, or devices...
So yet again, I'm actually paying for ads through my tax dollars.
Those signs are not ads, they are street signs. :^)
Marc Clifton wrote:
My understanding is that ad blockers remove the ad after it's been downloaded
Some may work that way but others claim that sites are much faster using an adblocker which would tell me it prevents it from being processed by the browser altogether. Don't know really.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Mladen Janković wrote:
sed to refer to a variety of forms of harmful or intrusive software,[1] including computer viruses, worms, Trojan horses, ransomware, spyware, adware, scareware, and other malicious programs.
Thanks. You proved yourself wrong.
Mladen Janković wrote:
You're trying really hard to avoid defending your position.
I didn't know it needed defending. I'm OK with you having a different opinion than me.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
011111100010 wrote:
Thanks. You proved yourself wrong.
You're not good at this.
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Mladen Janković wrote:
Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware?
Sorry, but this is a ridiculous question. :| IMHO it's all about intent...If the goal is to steal, extort, or install something without notification (with the exception of MS :laugh: ), then the authors of such content should go die in a fire. :fire: (isn't there a symbol for fire?) That said, I don't use adblocker or special hosts file, but I understand why others do. As others have asked, how is it stealing when the adblocking is done on the client?...the server doesn't know or care if the ad was blocked or viewed?...the website has done it's job and sent the ad. If you/they mean that the 'theft' is that the audience/user was denied the clever marketing blurb/video that some big name company paid money to produce and disseminate, then all I can do is laugh, since that is also a ridiculous argument as I just ignore them anyway! :laugh: (except of course those famous Carls Jr./Hardee's ads...I mean who doesn't like a good burger!)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
kmoorevs wrote:
goal is to steal, extort, or install something without notification
What miners do? They don't steal, extort and install anything? Same with trackers. Adware is malware as well, even though ad-ablocking-is-stealing-dude refuses to acknowledge this ;P btw. I'm not advocating that we should't block miners and malware, but that ads are in the same category, a category that is subject to user's will and judgment to let them run on his system.
kmoorevs wrote:
website has done it's job and sent the ad.
As I explained previously, ad blockers filter HTTP requests from browser that are sent to server to serve ads. [Example](https://i.imgur.com/xYkEVDF.png)
