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  • H HobbyProggy

    No offense, but burning fat by burning calories is way more reliable than just stopping to eat...

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    Matt L
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    Not to say exercise isn't important but... One minute physics[^] I just like quoting the choc bar vs exercise example. People, especially in the new year, tend to do it all from the start and fail. Start small and start with your diet. I've changed my diet this year and any day now, I'll be getting the cross trainer downstairs to take it to the next level. Yep, any day now :~

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    • CPalliniC CPallini

      Balanced diet and running is far better than zero carbohydrates.

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      In the long run (pun intended), yes, but some quick results may help you to get started.

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      • L Lost User

        CPallini wrote:

        Balanced diet and running is far better than zero carbohydrates

        True: if you want to get fit False: if you want to lose weight. Only way to loose weight: eat less

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        False: if you want to loose weight.

        It works, I made my tests.

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          CPallini wrote:

          Balanced diet and running is far better than zero carbohydrates

          True: if you want to get fit False: if you want to lose weight. Only way to loose weight: eat less

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          The pompey
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          It's lose ffs.

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          • M Munchies_Matt

            That's it, I finally admitted I am fat. There isn't any point pretending, I am gross. So, time to do something about it: Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI. Rye bread for example has a Glycemic Index of 45, not much more than broccoli, so that is an OK carb. Also taking apple cider vinegar, 2 teaspoons before a meal, and at night. Unpasteurised. Apparently it has good bacteria in it. Started a few days ago and losing half a kilo a day: 121.3 121 120.5 120 119.5 It works. Really. My target is 100 kgs, I weighed that when I was ~30. I cold hit this by the end of March at this rate! Ideal, want to go skiing, and NOT lugging 20kgs around is going to make me ski great! :) One note, I was very tired for two days on zero carbs, so I had a rye bread cheese fondue. About 1000 calories in total. Feel much better. And I am allowing myself red wine, say three glasses or so a night.

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            Worried Brown Eyes
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            I got on very well with WeightWatchers - online only. I started because my partner did it, and just by eating the meals she was, still raiding the snack machine at work, still drinking like a fish at weekends, even I lost half a stone. There are some cracking recipes on the site - we have about a seven week rotation of meals that we still eat even when not on the diet (Potato, Pea & Paneer Balti is a special favourite)

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            • D Daniel Pfeffer

              Note that losing weight too quickly is (a) dangerous to your health, and (b) may lead to yo-yo dieting, because you don't actually change your life-style in the long term. IIRC, Weight Watchers recommend losing about 0.5 kg a week on a balanced diet. Note that this is for people who weigh 60-90 kg. I'M not sure what their advice would be for those who weigh 120 kg.

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              Munchies_Matt
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              I intend to make this a long term thing. It is easy to stick to, and you are not hungry. Meat, veg, nice sauces, and even as I said a cheese fondue, there is nothing NOT to like about that lot! Because of the amount of physical work I dont on the house, I am currently rebuilding a wall knocked over by a car, I got some work out drink, high energy and nutrients, no sugar. I am going to try that when I get tired, it might kick the body into fat burning mode. Look, body builders trim down before events, and work out while doing so to get their fat down to really low levels, so they must know some tricks. :)

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              • CPalliniC CPallini

                Start running, if you don't do it yet.

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                Tried that, I am too heavy. Started getting sore ankles. Cycling is better, though at the moment I am doing quite a lot of physical work.

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                • T The pompey

                  It's lose ffs.

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                  But it SOUNDS like loose. Stupid language English is! :)

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                  • H HobbyProggy

                    No offense, but burning fat by burning calories is way more reliable than just stopping to eat...

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                    Munchies_Matt
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                    HobbyProggy wrote:

                    than just stopping to eat

                    I just ate a frigging cheese fondue! That IS eating, and damn yummy too! :)

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                    • W Worried Brown Eyes

                      I got on very well with WeightWatchers - online only. I started because my partner did it, and just by eating the meals she was, still raiding the snack machine at work, still drinking like a fish at weekends, even I lost half a stone. There are some cracking recipes on the site - we have about a seven week rotation of meals that we still eat even when not on the diet (Potato, Pea & Paneer Balti is a special favourite)

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                      I am good for recipes, I love cooking, so no worries there! :)

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                      • D den2k88

                        I've manage to lose quite a bit, about 1.4 kg/week by walking fast (about 6 km/h) for 5 kms a day (basically walking from the train station to work each morning and each evening), eating mostly vegetables for lunch and fish or white meat with abundant vegetables at dinner. Carbs are ok but no more than 2/3 times per week. The amount lost each week decreased with time since I had less luggage to drag around for each movement but I managed to lose 17 kg in 6 months. Over the following years I managed to get them all back, first slowly and then always faster, due to back problems that kept me from exercising regularly and my usual gluttony that avalanched more and more. Now I'm on diet again + gym and I'm starting to lose weight again. I'm just sharing my experience, maybe it will help you... BTW I don't drink except on very special occasions. Good luck with you diet!

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                        Thanks, good to know it works.

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                        • M Munchies_Matt

                          I intend to make this a long term thing. It is easy to stick to, and you are not hungry. Meat, veg, nice sauces, and even as I said a cheese fondue, there is nothing NOT to like about that lot! Because of the amount of physical work I dont on the house, I am currently rebuilding a wall knocked over by a car, I got some work out drink, high energy and nutrients, no sugar. I am going to try that when I get tired, it might kick the body into fat burning mode. Look, body builders trim down before events, and work out while doing so to get their fat down to really low levels, so they must know some tricks. :)

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                          high energy

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                          no sugar

                          Choose one. Energy comes from sugars. There is *nothing* wrong in sugars, fats or carbohydrates. They just need to be correctly rationed and most of all the snacks and continuous eating must be reduced, preferrably to 0. We do a fully cerebral and static job, which stresses us a lot and induce false hunger (more like: "I need something to fill me and give me endorphines - HEY is that a chocolate caramel nuts dried fruit bar??! That will do!"). Willpower is the only cure for that stress induced hunger.

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                            Quote:

                            high energy

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                            no sugar

                            Choose one. Energy comes from sugars. There is *nothing* wrong in sugars, fats or carbohydrates. They just need to be correctly rationed and most of all the snacks and continuous eating must be reduced, preferrably to 0. We do a fully cerebral and static job, which stresses us a lot and induce false hunger (more like: "I need something to fill me and give me endorphines - HEY is that a chocolate caramel nuts dried fruit bar??! That will do!"). Willpower is the only cure for that stress induced hunger.

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                            The body can turn fat (and protein) into sugars. Thats the key.

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                            • M Munchies_Matt

                              The body can turn fat (and protein) into sugars. Thats the key.

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                              But not short-term energy like what one wants from energy drinks. They might and usually will replenish minerals lost and give some vitamins whihc help the overall efficiency of the body but there is no fast energy without sugars.

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                              • D den2k88

                                But not short-term energy like what one wants from energy drinks. They might and usually will replenish minerals lost and give some vitamins whihc help the overall efficiency of the body but there is no fast energy without sugars.

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                                Munchies_Matt
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                                I know, this drink isnt sugars, it is nutrients and energy boosters.

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                                • M Munchies_Matt

                                  HobbyProggy wrote:

                                  than just stopping to eat

                                  I just ate a frigging cheese fondue! That IS eating, and damn yummy too! :)

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                                  Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                  Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI. Rye bread for example has a Glycemic Index of 45, not much more than broccoli, so that is an OK carb.

                                  That is not eating :) But with the fondue i agree! :-D

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                                  • M Matt L

                                    Not to say exercise isn't important but... One minute physics[^] I just like quoting the choc bar vs exercise example. People, especially in the new year, tend to do it all from the start and fail. Start small and start with your diet. I've changed my diet this year and any day now, I'll be getting the cross trainer downstairs to take it to the next level. Yep, any day now :~

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                                    HobbyProggy
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                                    Matt.L wrote:

                                    I just like quoting the choc bar vs exercise example.

                                    Which is perfectly right for that particular situation, but please think about burning after excercise and the gain of muscles, which actually will also burn calories by default. That is why i'd suggest you to start training instead of stop eating :) you have 2 ways, raise your daily need or reduce your daily input, i prefer the first. But thats all just my opinion on that topic.

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                                    • H HobbyProggy

                                      Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                      Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI. Rye bread for example has a Glycemic Index of 45, not much more than broccoli, so that is an OK carb.

                                      That is not eating :) But with the fondue i agree! :-D

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                                      It is eating, whats wrong with lamb curry without the rice? Steak with broccoli, endive, and chimichurri sauce? Delicious! :)

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                                      • C CodeWraith

                                        Oh, he can eat a two pound steak. As often as he wants to. It's all protein, fat and water, but zero carbohydrates. No carbohydrates means no fuel, so the body must fall back on the reserves and the bacon belt melts. The problem is, that these reserves can't be accessed so easily and too much physical activity might lead to him collapsing and not getting up again. I would not try this without medical supervision and certainly not go merrily running around in lonly places.

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                                        Nobody said he has to run a marathon :)

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                                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                          Yeah, you have to do both: eat less and exercise. And make that change your lifestyle - or it'll go back on when you stop ...

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                                          At least you understood the basis of what i wanted to say :)

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