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Right, time to lose weight.

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C CPallini

Start running, if you don't do it yet.
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Munchies_Matt

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Tried that, I am too heavy. Started getting sore ankles. Cycling is better, though at the moment I am doing quite a lot of physical work.
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T The pompey

It's lose ffs.
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But it SOUNDS like loose. Stupid language English is! :)
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H HobbyProggy

No offense, but burning fat by burning calories is way more reliable than just stopping to eat...

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Munchies_Matt

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HobbyProggy wrote:

than just stopping to eat

I just ate a frigging cheese fondue! That IS eating, and damn yummy too! :)
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I got on very well with WeightWatchers - online only. I started because my partner did it, and just by eating the meals she was, still raiding the snack machine at work, still drinking like a fish at weekends, even I lost half a stone. There are some cracking recipes on the site - we have about a seven week rotation of meals that we still eat even when not on the diet (Potato, Pea & Paneer Balti is a special favourite)
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I am good for recipes, I love cooking, so no worries there! :)
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I've manage to lose quite a bit, about 1.4 kg/week by walking fast (about 6 km/h) for 5 kms a day (basically walking from the train station to work each morning and each evening), eating mostly vegetables for lunch and fish or white meat with abundant vegetables at dinner. Carbs are ok but no more than 2/3 times per week. The amount lost each week decreased with time since I had less luggage to drag around for each movement but I managed to lose 17 kg in 6 months. Over the following years I managed to get them all back, first slowly and then always faster, due to back problems that kept me from exercising regularly and my usual gluttony that avalanched more and more. Now I'm on diet again + gym and I'm starting to lose weight again. I'm just sharing my experience, maybe it will help you... BTW I don't drink except on very special occasions. Good luck with you diet!

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Thanks, good to know it works.
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I intend to make this a long term thing. It is easy to stick to, and you are not hungry. Meat, veg, nice sauces, and even as I said a cheese fondue, there is nothing NOT to like about that lot! Because of the amount of physical work I dont on the house, I am currently rebuilding a wall knocked over by a car, I got some work out drink, high energy and nutrients, no sugar. I am going to try that when I get tired, it might kick the body into fat burning mode. Look, body builders trim down before events, and work out while doing so to get their fat down to really low levels, so they must know some tricks. :)
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high energy

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no sugar

Choose one. Energy comes from sugars. There is *nothing* wrong in sugars, fats or carbohydrates. They just need to be correctly rationed and most of all the snacks and continuous eating must be reduced, preferrably to 0. We do a fully cerebral and static job, which stresses us a lot and induce false hunger (more like: "I need something to fill me and give me endorphines - HEY is that a chocolate caramel nuts dried fruit bar??! That will do!"). Willpower is the only cure for that stress induced hunger.

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high energy

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no sugar

Choose one. Energy comes from sugars. There is *nothing* wrong in sugars, fats or carbohydrates. They just need to be correctly rationed and most of all the snacks and continuous eating must be reduced, preferrably to 0. We do a fully cerebral and static job, which stresses us a lot and induce false hunger (more like: "I need something to fill me and give me endorphines - HEY is that a chocolate caramel nuts dried fruit bar??! That will do!"). Willpower is the only cure for that stress induced hunger.

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Munchies_Matt

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The body can turn fat (and protein) into sugars. Thats the key.
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The body can turn fat (and protein) into sugars. Thats the key.
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But not short-term energy like what one wants from energy drinks. They might and usually will replenish minerals lost and give some vitamins whihc help the overall efficiency of the body but there is no fast energy without sugars.

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But not short-term energy like what one wants from energy drinks. They might and usually will replenish minerals lost and give some vitamins whihc help the overall efficiency of the body but there is no fast energy without sugars.

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I know, this drink isnt sugars, it is nutrients and energy boosters.
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HobbyProggy wrote:

than just stopping to eat

I just ate a frigging cheese fondue! That IS eating, and damn yummy too! :)
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Munchies_Matt wrote:

Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI. Rye bread for example has a Glycemic Index of 45, not much more than broccoli, so that is an OK carb.

That is not eating :) But with the fondue i agree! :-D

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Not to say exercise isn't important but... One minute physics[^] I just like quoting the choc bar vs exercise example. People, especially in the new year, tend to do it all from the start and fail. Start small and start with your diet. I've changed my diet this year and any day now, I'll be getting the cross trainer downstairs to take it to the next level. Yep, any day now :~
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Matt.L wrote:

I just like quoting the choc bar vs exercise example.

Which is perfectly right for that particular situation, but please think about burning after excercise and the gain of muscles, which actually will also burn calories by default. That is why i'd suggest you to start training instead of stop eating :) you have 2 ways, raise your daily need or reduce your daily input, i prefer the first. But thats all just my opinion on that topic.

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Oh, he can eat a two pound steak. As often as he wants to. It's all protein, fat and water, but zero carbohydrates. No carbohydrates means no fuel, so the body must fall back on the reserves and the bacon belt melts. The problem is, that these reserves can't be accessed so easily and too much physical activity might lead to him collapsing and not getting up again. I would not try this without medical supervision and certainly not go merrily running around in lonly places.

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Nobody said he has to run a marathon :)

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Munchies_Matt wrote:

Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI. Rye bread for example has a Glycemic Index of 45, not much more than broccoli, so that is an OK carb.

That is not eating :) But with the fondue i agree! :-D

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It is eating, whats wrong with lamb curry without the rice? Steak with broccoli, endive, and chimichurri sauce? Delicious! :)
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Yeah, you have to do both: eat less and exercise. And make that change your lifestyle - or it'll go back on when you stop ...

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At least you understood the basis of what i wanted to say :)

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It is eating, whats wrong with lamb curry without the rice? Steak with broccoli, endive, and chimichurri sauce? Delicious! :)
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Nothing. I may drop out of the discussion, i am not a fan of the low carb hype-train, i am not a fan of energy boosters or high nutrient drinks for or after "workout". I prefer the steady and probably more effort costing method. And since our views differ on that alot i guess it's better not to argue about it. Because in the end, everybody needs to find his way to do it :thumbsup:

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That's it, I finally admitted I am fat. There isn't any point pretending, I am gross. So, time to do something about it: Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI. Rye bread for example has a Glycemic Index of 45, not much more than broccoli, so that is an OK carb. Also taking apple cider vinegar, 2 teaspoons before a meal, and at night. Unpasteurised. Apparently it has good bacteria in it. Started a few days ago and losing half a kilo a day: 121.3 121 120.5 120 119.5 It works. Really. My target is 100 kgs, I weighed that when I was ~30. I cold hit this by the end of March at this rate! Ideal, want to go skiing, and NOT lugging 20kgs around is going to make me ski great! :) One note, I was very tired for two days on zero carbs, so I had a rye bread cheese fondue. About 1000 calories in total. Feel much better. And I am allowing myself red wine, say three glasses or so a night.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:

That's it, I finally admitted I am fat.

Considering your old moniker, fat_boy, it can't be that recent. Opinion: Don't go zero carb, your body will go into starvation mode and start spewing out huge amounts of enzymes to use every gram of the food you eat. Plus it makes you hungrier. That's simply how we are made. So go low and slow, but don't cut it completely. To keep the worst parts of losing weight at bay, (hunger, mood swings, and weakness) you need to think of your blood sugar level. When the blood sugar is high, the surplus is stored away as fat. So, keep your portions smaller and reduce the amount of carbs. Especially the fast carbs that spikes your blood sugar. When your blood sugar is low, the body doesn't just react by making you hungry, it also creates extra much enzymes to turn the fat and proteins you eat into energy. So you need to snack in between your meals to keep your blood sugar from dropping to much. Then again, all these diets, low GI, LCHF and whatever is the hype is today, are better designed to keep you from gaining weight. To lose weight you simply need to eat less than you use. There's no way around that.

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But it SOUNDS like loose. Stupid language English is! :)
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Really? I say looz wayt.

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Munchies_Matt wrote:

That's it, I finally admitted I am fat.

Considering your old moniker, fat_boy, it can't be that recent. Opinion: Don't go zero carb, your body will go into starvation mode and start spewing out huge amounts of enzymes to use every gram of the food you eat. Plus it makes you hungrier. That's simply how we are made. So go low and slow, but don't cut it completely. To keep the worst parts of losing weight at bay, (hunger, mood swings, and weakness) you need to think of your blood sugar level. When the blood sugar is high, the surplus is stored away as fat. So, keep your portions smaller and reduce the amount of carbs. Especially the fast carbs that spikes your blood sugar. When your blood sugar is low, the body doesn't just react by making you hungry, it also creates extra much enzymes to turn the fat and proteins you eat into energy. So you need to snack in between your meals to keep your blood sugar from dropping to much. Then again, all these diets, low GI, LCHF and whatever is the hype is today, are better designed to keep you from gaining weight. To lose weight you simply need to eat less than you use. There's no way around that.

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Munchies_Matt

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Well, you cant go zero carb, plant fiber is a carb, so broccoli has a glycemic index of 40 or so, so in fact what it is a low GI diet, any carb lower than GI 50. This stops blood sugar spiking up, triggering insulin and fat storage. Without the insulin the body starts to use its fat store instead of triggering hunger (because you dont go into a low blood sugar state). One benefit of apple cider vinegar is helping to normalise blood sugar, so I am taking that too.
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Nobody said he has to run a marathon :)

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Too bad. I already hoped to get him to sign up for my specially trained Pitbull running coach.

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Well, you cant go zero carb, plant fiber is a carb, so broccoli has a glycemic index of 40 or so, so in fact what it is a low GI diet, any carb lower than GI 50. This stops blood sugar spiking up, triggering insulin and fat storage. Without the insulin the body starts to use its fat store instead of triggering hunger (because you dont go into a low blood sugar state). One benefit of apple cider vinegar is helping to normalise blood sugar, so I am taking that too.
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The pompey

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I take apple cider vinegar for acid reflux - if I lose weight too that's an added bonus.
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