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  • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

    As you get older it's important to stay active. All the people I know that have retired in front of the boob tube all died within a year.

    Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright

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    Slacker007
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    Mike Hankey wrote:

    died within a year.

    My dad had once relayed to me, before his passing, that this was something he had observed as well. I believe 5-6 work mates of his, all died within 16 months of retirement. All of them shared one trait that was interesting - they were not active at all after retirement.

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      Mike Hankey wrote:

      died within a year.

      My dad had once relayed to me, before his passing, that this was something he had observed as well. I believe 5-6 work mates of his, all died within 16 months of retirement. All of them shared one trait that was interesting - they were not active at all after retirement.

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      Mike Hankey
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      Absolutely! Think about any piece of machinery, if you don't use it it rusts and deteriorates the human body is a machine and needs to be exercised.

      Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright

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      • L Lost User

        Yes, and not just in the office. A paper notepad during meetings (mindmaps mostly), adding notes or comments to any printed material. Outside the office there is a moleskine for notes, and a "dry erase marker" on the toilet to write on the toilet-door. Any door is a whiteboard :)

        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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        Nathan Minier
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        Moleskine makes the best field notebooks I've ever used. I love the perforated ones, fantastic for leader books.

        "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

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        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

          Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?

          "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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          Nathan Minier
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          You forgot to mention the blessed whiteboard: the best place to visualize designs and realize when you're being stupid.

          "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

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          • N Nathan Minier

            Moleskine makes the best field notebooks I've ever used. I love the perforated ones, fantastic for leader books.

            "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

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            Lost User
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            A good external memory which fits neatly in your pocket :)

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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            • R RickZeeland

              Are we to believe all that, you are retired remember :-\

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              Eric Goedhart
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              Oh no is Mike above 35 :-D

              With friendly greetings,:) Eric Goedhart

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                OriginalGriff wrote:

                Ah, you're a mathematician.

                No, I'm a joke thief :)

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                OriginalGriff
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                Ah, but we're all that! :laugh:

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                • N Nathan Minier

                  You forgot to mention the blessed whiteboard: the best place to visualize designs and realize when you're being stupid.

                  "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

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                  Eric Goedhart
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                  I just came back from a discount store nearby and bought one for the reason to make notes :)

                  With friendly greetings,:) Eric Goedhart

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                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                    Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?

                    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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                    RJOberg
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                    I've replaced my pen/pencil usage during work by about 99%. For quick bits such as jotting down info from a voice mail, I pull up notepad and type the relevant details like numbers, then delete it after the fact. In meetings, I have a 13" HP Spectre x360 convertable, digital pen, and OneNote for taking notes. I don't use the handwriting to text feature, better than it used to be but still completely useless. Previously used paper and pen to do the same but I never copied them into any digital format so organizing them for future use didn't happen and after a dozen pads of paper it was a stack of unsearchable data. For information recall and parsing out the useless details, I personally find it is better to hand write notes instead of typing them. Many of the studies being conducted on memory retention back me up.

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                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                      Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?

                      "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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                      W Balboos GHB
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                      All the best stuff is paper (scrap) and pen. Shopping Lists, phone numbers, other real-life content: To begin with, it's much more portable.   Actually, that's pretty much good enough! Some development stuff, too. I've tried to make text-editor checklists and stuff, but so far they seem to just persist endlessly in the editor, where I have to decide whether to keep them or not, and if I do keep them (=save file), where, so I don't end up with a shyte-load of old scrap files. One problem, however, is it's hard to keep cleaning the marker off of my monitors.

                      Ravings en masse^

                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                      • CHill60C CHill60

                        I have a (much) younger work colleague who brings her laptop to every meeting and takes notes during the meetings. Trouble is she is one of "those" typists who seem to make more noise than an elephanting elephant! Half the time the noise of her typing drowns out the speaker, and gods help us all if we're using a squawkbox on a dial-in. I'd suggest to her to bring a pad and pen but she's a "clicker" too :mad: Wouldn't mind so much if she actually shared the notes with us :laugh:

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                        CHill60 wrote:

                        I'd suggest to her to bring a pad and pen but she's a "clicker" too :mad:

                        This is why I never buy click pens! I fidget so the click part is just too tempting. Makes it worse when I actively resist clicking because then I don't pay attention to the meeting!

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                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                          Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?

                          "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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                          dandy72
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                          Despite using digital notes rather extensively in all forms--Windows 10's Sticky Notes, One-Note, and even small plain-text files--my desk still seems to find itself covered in paper notes. I swear I don't know how this happens.

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                          • K kalberts

                            I am surprised by how many of my younger work mates come to meetings, presentations and brainstorming carrying an old style paper notebook. When I was that age, 15-20 years ago, noone wanted to be seen in a meeting room without a portable; that would mark you as pre-cambrium. Nowadays, it is no longer necessary to emphasize your modernness to the same degree. Obviously, everybody has smartphones, with more processing and storage capabilities than the old portable. But they are not as good for jotting down notes (certainly not if you have got big hands!), and not for curves and similar sketches. So the notebook is a nice supplement to the smartphone.

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                            Even something that can handle so-called "digital ink" (as much as I despise the term) such as Microsoft's Surface, in combination with software that is designed specifically for it, really isn't all that great. I'd still rather carry pen and paper for those occasions. And although the camera might be useful for taking a picture of someone's whiteboard scribbling...the result leaves a lot to be desired.

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                            • N Nathan Minier

                              You forgot to mention the blessed whiteboard: the best place to visualize designs and realize when you're being stupid.

                              "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

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                              dandy72
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                              My problem with whiteboards is that I'll write something down and leave it there for months. After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...

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                                My problem with whiteboards is that I'll write something down and leave it there for months. After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...

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                                Nathan Minier
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                                Rubbing alcohol can be your friend, but only if your office is well ventilated.

                                "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

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                                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                  Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?

                                  "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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                                  David Crow
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                                  I use pen & paper all the time. Any paper that comes off the printer that is not claimed goes into my "scratch" pile.

                                  "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                                  "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                                  "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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                                    My problem with whiteboards is that I'll write something down and leave it there for months. After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...

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                                    David Crow
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                                    dandy72 wrote:

                                    After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...

                                    Write over the dried marker with a fresh one and it should wipe right off.

                                    "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                                    "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                                    "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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                                    • N Nathan Minier

                                      Rubbing alcohol can be your friend, but only if your office is well ventilated.

                                      "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

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                                      David Crow
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                                      Effective in the short term but will eventually render the board useless. The alcohol destroys the lubricating layer of the board. Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.

                                      "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                                      "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                                      "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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                                        Effective in the short term but will eventually render the board useless. The alcohol destroys the lubricating layer of the board. Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.

                                        "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                                        "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                                        "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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                                        Nathan Minier
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                                        Pro tip, thanks!

                                        "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

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                                        • K kalberts

                                          I am surprised by how many of my younger work mates come to meetings, presentations and brainstorming carrying an old style paper notebook. When I was that age, 15-20 years ago, noone wanted to be seen in a meeting room without a portable; that would mark you as pre-cambrium. Nowadays, it is no longer necessary to emphasize your modernness to the same degree. Obviously, everybody has smartphones, with more processing and storage capabilities than the old portable. But they are not as good for jotting down notes (certainly not if you have got big hands!), and not for curves and similar sketches. So the notebook is a nice supplement to the smartphone.

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                                          Gary Wheeler
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                                          It's a matter of great irony to me that in many of the meetings I get invited to, I'm the only one who arrives completely naked - no laptop or [electronic] tablet. Most of those meetings I'll be the only computer/software-type there. I carry a small paper tablet and a pen[^], along with my reading glasses. Yes I'm old, dammit, now get the :elephant: off my lawn!

                                          Software Zen: delete this;

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