Day 1
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Where did you think the "legal pot" sellers came from?
I haven't researched it, but if I had to guess I'd say they came from the businesses, politicians and other rich individuals who lobbied the government to legalise it. You see there are some people out there who care about nothing but making money, regardless of the misery it causes others.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
There is no illegal version of weed
That comment shows quite a fundamental lack of understanding. What the law does is allow people to buy from a licensed seller, it doesn't mean the drug is now a free for all. So the government will control what people can buy based on the restrictions of the license. Again I haven't researched this to any massive degree, but I think the license is going to be restricted to "natural" cannabis, it won't allow the selling of synthetic products, and they are infinitely more dangerous and the illegal dealers will continue to offer synthetic products.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And no, no surge in selling of harddrugs.
You can't possibly state that as a fact. It's like jumping off a building and on the way down saying "So far so good."
grabs a bowl of popcorn, sits down for the Sunday night smack down! This is gonna be good!!
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4:27 PM: Not much is happening. We can see some individuals smoking pot in parks, some in streets. Very peaceful. 5:33 PM: An unusual number of pizza delivery cars on my street.
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Just out of interest: 1. Has the "street price" of pot dropped, now that it is legal? 2. What will the (illegal) pot dealers now do for a living? Inquiring minds wish to know...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
I imagine the price of Doritos has skyrocketed though.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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4:27 PM: Not much is happening. We can see some individuals smoking pot in parks, some in streets. Very peaceful. 5:33 PM: An unusual number of pizza delivery cars on my street.
Has Canadian GDP gone down yet from all those people saying 'fuck it' and lying in bed? :)
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4:27 PM: Not much is happening. We can see some individuals smoking pot in parks, some in streets. Very peaceful. 5:33 PM: An unusual number of pizza delivery cars on my street.
Florida made the liquid forms legal just over a year ago. My retired brother-in-law decided that it might be just the thing to help with relief from arthritis. I didn't care. It wouldn't affect me, right? Wrong! Here are my observations over the last year. After getting his state pot license and paying a 'doctor' $120 for a 15 minute diagnosis, it's off to the dispensary where he spends around $60 a week for a couple of vape tanks and drops. Even before he was getting high every day he would call frequently...usually a couple of times a week. Nowadays it's an expected everyday event...much rambling and self-aggrandizing on his part, and lately always complaining about money. Last week, unbeknownst to me, he asked my wife to borrow money and she obliged. When she told me about it later, I suggested that he should get off the pot and get a job instead of borrowing. She had already raised the issue with his wife who's response was 'Oh no, he really needs it...he's impossible to live with when he doesn't have it'. :wtf: So, he's now chemically dependent? :confused: Also, I'm sure most employers still mandate drug tests he couldn't get a job anyway. Also, I've recently learned that he has been seeing a shrink, apparently having PTSD over the death of his 87 y/o mother....while the rest of us have moved on, he's still stuck on it...probably because he is retired, bored, and stoned. I wonder how long it will be before he needs more money. :mad:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I imagine the price of Doritos has skyrocketed though.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
People who never smoked pot, or don't know much about pot, will not get this joke. :-D
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Where did you think the "legal pot" sellers came from?
I haven't researched it, but if I had to guess I'd say they came from the businesses, politicians and other rich individuals who lobbied the government to legalise it. You see there are some people out there who care about nothing but making money, regardless of the misery it causes others.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
There is no illegal version of weed
That comment shows quite a fundamental lack of understanding. What the law does is allow people to buy from a licensed seller, it doesn't mean the drug is now a free for all. So the government will control what people can buy based on the restrictions of the license. Again I haven't researched this to any massive degree, but I think the license is going to be restricted to "natural" cannabis, it won't allow the selling of synthetic products, and they are infinitely more dangerous and the illegal dealers will continue to offer synthetic products.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And no, no surge in selling of harddrugs.
You can't possibly state that as a fact. It's like jumping off a building and on the way down saying "So far so good."
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
I haven't researched it, but if I had to guess I'd say they came from the businesses, politicians and other rich individuals who lobbied the government to legalise it. You see there are some people out there who care about nothing but making money, regardless of the misery it causes others.
Sure, they "suddenly" have suppliers and a ring of customers. Any politician that would try to enter such bussiness without knowing anything about it, will be sold a lot of parsley.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
That comment shows quite a fundamental lack of understanding. What the law does is allow people to buy from a licensed seller, it doesn't mean the drug is now a free for all. So the government will control what people can buy based on the restrictions of the license. Again I haven't researched this to any massive degree, but I think the license is going to be restricted to "natural" cannabis, it won't allow the selling of synthetic products, and they are infinitely more dangerous and the illegal dealers will continue to offer synthetic products.
Let me explain it different; there is no "harder" or more addictive version of the plant.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You can't possibly state that as a fact. It's like jumping off a building and on the way down saying "So far so good."
I'm not stating a fact, but an observation of the local police from years ago :thumbsup: --edit Going from weed to harddrugs is as plausible as going from booze to harddrugs. You will also need hugely different contacts (and transport) if you want to step into making money over harddrugs.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
I haven't researched it, but if I had to guess I'd say they came from the businesses, politicians and other rich individuals who lobbied the government to legalise it. You see there are some people out there who care about nothing but making money, regardless of the misery it causes others.
Sure, they "suddenly" have suppliers and a ring of customers. Any politician that would try to enter such bussiness without knowing anything about it, will be sold a lot of parsley.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
That comment shows quite a fundamental lack of understanding. What the law does is allow people to buy from a licensed seller, it doesn't mean the drug is now a free for all. So the government will control what people can buy based on the restrictions of the license. Again I haven't researched this to any massive degree, but I think the license is going to be restricted to "natural" cannabis, it won't allow the selling of synthetic products, and they are infinitely more dangerous and the illegal dealers will continue to offer synthetic products.
Let me explain it different; there is no "harder" or more addictive version of the plant.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You can't possibly state that as a fact. It's like jumping off a building and on the way down saying "So far so good."
I'm not stating a fact, but an observation of the local police from years ago :thumbsup: --edit Going from weed to harddrugs is as plausible as going from booze to harddrugs. You will also need hugely different contacts (and transport) if you want to step into making money over harddrugs.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Sure, they "suddenly" have suppliers and a ring of customers
It's a commodity like everything else. Are you suggesting that people who previously made their money selling drugs illegally are applying for these licenses? With likely criminal records? In order to start legitimate businesses, file accounts, pay taxes etc, when they could instead just keep doing what they are doing and void the taxes and the hassle?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Let me explain it different; there is no "harder" or more addictive version of the plant.
That's a straw-man argument, I didn't say there was.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
an observation of the local police from years ago
An observation years ago about the legalisation of cannabis in Canada that literally just happened?
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People who never smoked pot, or don't know much about pot, will not get this joke. :-D
Slacker007 wrote:
People who never smoked pot, or don't know much about pot, will not get this joke.
That's OK, Bill Clinton doesn't read this forum anyway. :laugh:
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Sure, they "suddenly" have suppliers and a ring of customers
It's a commodity like everything else. Are you suggesting that people who previously made their money selling drugs illegally are applying for these licenses? With likely criminal records? In order to start legitimate businesses, file accounts, pay taxes etc, when they could instead just keep doing what they are doing and void the taxes and the hassle?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Let me explain it different; there is no "harder" or more addictive version of the plant.
That's a straw-man argument, I didn't say there was.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
an observation of the local police from years ago
An observation years ago about the legalisation of cannabis in Canada that literally just happened?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
It's a commodity like everything else.
If it was, we would not be having this discussion.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Are you suggesting that people who previously made their money selling drugs illegally are applying for these licenses?
Not suggesting, but saying. It may of course be that Canada is a special country where things happen differently than in the rest of the world..
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
With likely criminal records?
Unlikely.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
In order to start legitimate businesses, file accounts, pay taxes etc, when they could instead just keep doing what they are doing and void the taxes and the hassle?
Sigh, we had this argument even for prostitutes; given the choice, people will go for the legal route.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
That's a straw-man argument, I didn't say there was.
You did:
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
What they'll do instead is push harder versions of the drug
There is no "harder" version of the drug.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
An observation years ago about the legalisation of cannabis in Canada that literally just happened?
Haha, you're the first country that takes this step, I forgot :D It is not like weed has been semi-legal in the Netherlands for years. How dumb of me. Yes, Canadians are special, there is no way of telling what they will do. Probably will all become hardcore-addicts and criminals :rolleyes: :laugh:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Florida made the liquid forms legal just over a year ago. My retired brother-in-law decided that it might be just the thing to help with relief from arthritis. I didn't care. It wouldn't affect me, right? Wrong! Here are my observations over the last year. After getting his state pot license and paying a 'doctor' $120 for a 15 minute diagnosis, it's off to the dispensary where he spends around $60 a week for a couple of vape tanks and drops. Even before he was getting high every day he would call frequently...usually a couple of times a week. Nowadays it's an expected everyday event...much rambling and self-aggrandizing on his part, and lately always complaining about money. Last week, unbeknownst to me, he asked my wife to borrow money and she obliged. When she told me about it later, I suggested that he should get off the pot and get a job instead of borrowing. She had already raised the issue with his wife who's response was 'Oh no, he really needs it...he's impossible to live with when he doesn't have it'. :wtf: So, he's now chemically dependent? :confused: Also, I'm sure most employers still mandate drug tests he couldn't get a job anyway. Also, I've recently learned that he has been seeing a shrink, apparently having PTSD over the death of his 87 y/o mother....while the rest of us have moved on, he's still stuck on it...probably because he is retired, bored, and stoned. I wonder how long it will be before he needs more money. :mad:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
You can't get chemically dependent on weed. That's a lazy excuse for being more lazy. Arthritis hurts, I can see that in family-members; but weed is a very bad painkiller (and a muscle relaxant, and lightly sedative), meaning he'll have some extra side-effects from it. My elderly neighbour is using the drops too, and succesfully - but she only takes them before going to sleep. Not during the day. During the day you want to be able to react in real-time, not five minutes after it. I'm using Tramadol, a very effective painkiller. That's not even an opioid, and relatively safe, and it has the benefit that no-one cares if you take it with you in an airport. Another benefit is that it is paid for by medical insurance, so it is a rather cheap option. If your brother could stick to that during the day, he'll have enough funds remaining for a more recreational way of killing the pain before sleep-time.
kmoorevs wrote:
'Oh no, he really needs it...he's impossible to live with when he doesn't have it'. :WTF:
It will also be hard to live with someone who does not want to hear about limits; unless your credit-card is really unlimited. I feel great after a morfine-pill. Makes life wonderfull. Wouldn't be much of a life though, sitting on the couch, feeling great, doing nothing. His wife is right; if I were sedated using morfine, I'd be very calm, easygoing, relaxed and agreeing. If I get nothing at all, I'm cranky, moody, short tempered. There is a middle-ground between those extremes.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Florida made the liquid forms legal just over a year ago. My retired brother-in-law decided that it might be just the thing to help with relief from arthritis. I didn't care. It wouldn't affect me, right? Wrong! Here are my observations over the last year. After getting his state pot license and paying a 'doctor' $120 for a 15 minute diagnosis, it's off to the dispensary where he spends around $60 a week for a couple of vape tanks and drops. Even before he was getting high every day he would call frequently...usually a couple of times a week. Nowadays it's an expected everyday event...much rambling and self-aggrandizing on his part, and lately always complaining about money. Last week, unbeknownst to me, he asked my wife to borrow money and she obliged. When she told me about it later, I suggested that he should get off the pot and get a job instead of borrowing. She had already raised the issue with his wife who's response was 'Oh no, he really needs it...he's impossible to live with when he doesn't have it'. :wtf: So, he's now chemically dependent? :confused: Also, I'm sure most employers still mandate drug tests he couldn't get a job anyway. Also, I've recently learned that he has been seeing a shrink, apparently having PTSD over the death of his 87 y/o mother....while the rest of us have moved on, he's still stuck on it...probably because he is retired, bored, and stoned. I wonder how long it will be before he needs more money. :mad:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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You can't get chemically dependent on weed. That's a lazy excuse for being more lazy. Arthritis hurts, I can see that in family-members; but weed is a very bad painkiller (and a muscle relaxant, and lightly sedative), meaning he'll have some extra side-effects from it. My elderly neighbour is using the drops too, and succesfully - but she only takes them before going to sleep. Not during the day. During the day you want to be able to react in real-time, not five minutes after it. I'm using Tramadol, a very effective painkiller. That's not even an opioid, and relatively safe, and it has the benefit that no-one cares if you take it with you in an airport. Another benefit is that it is paid for by medical insurance, so it is a rather cheap option. If your brother could stick to that during the day, he'll have enough funds remaining for a more recreational way of killing the pain before sleep-time.
kmoorevs wrote:
'Oh no, he really needs it...he's impossible to live with when he doesn't have it'. :WTF:
It will also be hard to live with someone who does not want to hear about limits; unless your credit-card is really unlimited. I feel great after a morfine-pill. Makes life wonderfull. Wouldn't be much of a life though, sitting on the couch, feeling great, doing nothing. His wife is right; if I were sedated using morfine, I'd be very calm, easygoing, relaxed and agreeing. If I get nothing at all, I'm cranky, moody, short tempered. There is a middle-ground between those extremes.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You can't get chemically dependent on weed.
Why not?
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
Why not?
Dunno, but you don't get a chemical dependence, that's something caffeine can't even claim. It does not contain a substance that the body gets addicted to. You may enjoy the "high" and colors for a while, and buy more because you don't understand that the body builds resistance to any poison/drug/medication. Doesn't mean you do so because you're addicted; simply means you are spending more to chase the same temporary nonsense. Anyone who uses any decent painkiller or sleeping-medication faces the same problem; using it means that it will work less well in the future. Simple solution: use as little as possible.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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011111100010 wrote:
Why not?
Dunno, but you don't get a chemical dependence, that's something caffeine can't even claim. It does not contain a substance that the body gets addicted to. You may enjoy the "high" and colors for a while, and buy more because you don't understand that the body builds resistance to any poison/drug/medication. Doesn't mean you do so because you're addicted; simply means you are spending more to chase the same temporary nonsense. Anyone who uses any decent painkiller or sleeping-medication faces the same problem; using it means that it will work less well in the future. Simple solution: use as little as possible.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
that's something caffeine can't even claim. It does not contain a substance that the body gets addicted to.
I know plenty of people that have to have their coke or mountain dew everyday or else their body goes through caffeine withdrawals. That sounds like addiction to me.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Simple solution: use as little as possible.
Agreed. :thumbsup:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Exactly, why would the price drop. Surely it was the lucrative tax incentive that convinced the governments to legalise it in the first place?
Now the real criminals are taking their cut!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
It's a commodity like everything else.
If it was, we would not be having this discussion.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Are you suggesting that people who previously made their money selling drugs illegally are applying for these licenses?
Not suggesting, but saying. It may of course be that Canada is a special country where things happen differently than in the rest of the world..
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
With likely criminal records?
Unlikely.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
In order to start legitimate businesses, file accounts, pay taxes etc, when they could instead just keep doing what they are doing and void the taxes and the hassle?
Sigh, we had this argument even for prostitutes; given the choice, people will go for the legal route.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
That's a straw-man argument, I didn't say there was.
You did:
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
What they'll do instead is push harder versions of the drug
There is no "harder" version of the drug.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
An observation years ago about the legalisation of cannabis in Canada that literally just happened?
Haha, you're the first country that takes this step, I forgot :D It is not like weed has been semi-legal in the Netherlands for years. How dumb of me. Yes, Canadians are special, there is no way of telling what they will do. Probably will all become hardcore-addicts and criminals :rolleyes: :laugh:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If it was, we would not be having this discussion.
Why isn't it? It's an item that is produced, transported and sold. No different from cigarettes, alcohol, apples or scooters.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Not suggesting, but saying.
Pure conjecture, you have no evidence.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
given the choice, people will go for the legal route.
Pure conjecture, you have no evidence.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You did:
You claimed I said there was a harder version of the plant, when I called that a straw-man you quoted me saying there was a harder version of the drug. If you can't tell the difference between the two then you probably shouldn't be involved in this thread.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It is not like weed has been semi-legal in the Netherlands for years
The place with the rampant heroin problems?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
that's something caffeine can't even claim. It does not contain a substance that the body gets addicted to.
I know plenty of people that have to have their coke or mountain dew everyday or else their body goes through caffeine withdrawals. That sounds like addiction to me.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Simple solution: use as little as possible.
Agreed. :thumbsup:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
I know plenty of people that have to have their coke or mountain dew everyday or else their body goes through caffeine withdrawals. That sounds like addiction to me.
Woah, yeah, I'm addicted to coffee; so what? It is not like we go out robbing to see that our need is filled. Addictions come in various degrees, and while you may not like coffee, I do not see it as a reaon to send someone to rehab. Still, point was that weed doesn't do that. There's no withdrawel symptoms at all.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If it was, we would not be having this discussion.
Why isn't it? It's an item that is produced, transported and sold. No different from cigarettes, alcohol, apples or scooters.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Not suggesting, but saying.
Pure conjecture, you have no evidence.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
given the choice, people will go for the legal route.
Pure conjecture, you have no evidence.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You did:
You claimed I said there was a harder version of the plant, when I called that a straw-man you quoted me saying there was a harder version of the drug. If you can't tell the difference between the two then you probably shouldn't be involved in this thread.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It is not like weed has been semi-legal in the Netherlands for years
The place with the rampant heroin problems?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Why isn't it? It's an item that is produced, transported and sold. No different from cigarettes, alcohol, apples or scooters.
Very different from apples, and it strikes me as a bit funny that I need to point it out. For one, even if it is allowed in your country, you should never drive when under influence. You can have as much apples on your scooter as you like, but going stoned into traffic might cause some problems.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Pure conjecture, you have no evidence.
Pure semantic defense from someone who has no real arguments :) Twice!
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You claimed I said there was a harder version of the plant, when I called that a straw-man you quoted me saying there was a harder version of the drug. If you can't tell the difference between the two then you probably shouldn't be involved in this thread.
So you learned to retort as a child, but not thinking. You're one of those religious ones? :)
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
The place with the rampant heroin problems?
Sorry, but no problems with heroine here. Sometimes we get the occasional Englishman trying out magic mushrooms and then jumping naked from a hotel, sometimes someone gets sick from partying too hard on XTC, but that's about it. No opioid-crisis either.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Why isn't it? It's an item that is produced, transported and sold. No different from cigarettes, alcohol, apples or scooters.
Very different from apples, and it strikes me as a bit funny that I need to point it out. For one, even if it is allowed in your country, you should never drive when under influence. You can have as much apples on your scooter as you like, but going stoned into traffic might cause some problems.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Pure conjecture, you have no evidence.
Pure semantic defense from someone who has no real arguments :) Twice!
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You claimed I said there was a harder version of the plant, when I called that a straw-man you quoted me saying there was a harder version of the drug. If you can't tell the difference between the two then you probably shouldn't be involved in this thread.
So you learned to retort as a child, but not thinking. You're one of those religious ones? :)
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
The place with the rampant heroin problems?
Sorry, but no problems with heroine here. Sometimes we get the occasional Englishman trying out magic mushrooms and then jumping naked from a hotel, sometimes someone gets sick from partying too hard on XTC, but that's about it. No opioid-crisis either.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Very different from apples
I see you cherry picked your examples. It's certainly no different from alcohol or cigarettes. Both are commodities that are strictly controlled, require licenses etc to manufacture or sell. Legalised cannabis is no different.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Pure semantic defense from someone who has no real arguments
So you're allowed to state things you think are true are fact, without evidence, and I can't call you out on it? Seems to me you're just trying to wriggle out of defending what you say.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
So you learned to retort as a child, but not thinking.
That makes no sense. No admission that your argument was indeed a straw-man one. Figures.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Sorry, but no problems with heroine here
Ok.