Do You Get Along ?
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I have a friend and former colleague who used to be a deputy for the local Sheriff's Department. He told me a story of them capturing a child pornography distributor and he had to spend several days going through all of the videos to tag them as evidence. He had to get psychological help after that. The Sheriff also had to confiscate his sidearm to prevent an unfortunate accident with the defendant.
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
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There are some people who get along with everyone. Obviously, from my posts, you know I'm not one of them. But there are people who I don't get along with (and don't want to get along with). Unless one has some very special drugs, I don't think it's normal to get along with everyone - but what do I know. Examples at work include a person who deliberate breaches my trust or are a predator of vulnerable employees. And, of course, the chronic liars. [Chronic idiots aren't included because, well, they're idiots] This could probably be contorted into a survey question, but meanwhile, any comments (or more interestingly, examples!) ? Even those of you who claim you're described in the preceding paragraph
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
And, of course, the chronic liars
W∴ Balboos wrote:
This could probably be contorted into a survey question, but meanwhile, any comments (or more interestingly, examples!) ? Even those of you who claim you're described in the preceding paragraph
I don't think that the results of your survey would be particularly meaningful. By their very nature, the contributions from the chronic liars would not be valid; but you would not know which ones thet were as they'd lie about being liars.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
And, of course, the chronic liars
W∴ Balboos wrote:
This could probably be contorted into a survey question, but meanwhile, any comments (or more interestingly, examples!) ? Even those of you who claim you're described in the preceding paragraph
I don't think that the results of your survey would be particularly meaningful. By their very nature, the contributions from the chronic liars would not be valid; but you would not know which ones thet were as they'd lie about being liars.
Misunderstandings: 1) Liars are on the list of expendables, not deliberate survey targets. 2) What in the world would make you think the results of (any) survey are ever valid?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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There are some people who get along with everyone. Obviously, from my posts, you know I'm not one of them. But there are people who I don't get along with (and don't want to get along with). Unless one has some very special drugs, I don't think it's normal to get along with everyone - but what do I know. Examples at work include a person who deliberate breaches my trust or are a predator of vulnerable employees. And, of course, the chronic liars. [Chronic idiots aren't included because, well, they're idiots] This could probably be contorted into a survey question, but meanwhile, any comments (or more interestingly, examples!) ? Even those of you who claim you're described in the preceding paragraph
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
In my 38 year career as a programmer, I've had people I liked (and didn't), people I respected (and didn't). I've always managed to be sufficiently professional to deal with all of them, even though at times it was like gargling with broken glass. Of course, there's always that one exception. "BK" decided that I was a moron, since I worked on a different product line from him. Every time I dealt with him he would lie, misdirect, or ignore the question. When I finally recognized what was going on, I stopped talking to him: in person, in meetings, via e-mail, anything. I simply acted as if he didn't exist. He eventually 'retired' early, when they tried to reassign him to another product and he did absolutely nothing fox six months. This is the first and only person in my career whom I have actively hated. Even the people who were frustrating, less than bright, or just lazy could be dealt with. Not only would I throw this guy under the bus, I'd be driving it. The final piss-in-your-oatmeal of this story is, due to a succession of "workforce adjustments", I am now the maintainer of BK's product. See my post A couple of entries from the Codex Vomitus[^] in the Weird and the Wonderful for details.
Software Zen:
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He was responsible for the single worst working day of my entire life. Because of the porn sites, I was told to go through his entire machine and check what kind of porn it was: the MD specifically wanted to know if there was any child porn on there with a view to handing it all over to the police if there was. So in an "open" office, I spent the entire day looking at someone else's idea of what to watch - and there was a lot of it - checking each picture (this was the dial up era, so no videos) and half expecting the next image I opened to be something I really, really never want to look at. Fortunately, I didn't find any. Horrible, horrible day. I downed 2 inches of good single malt when I got home in a single glug. Gave me a new appreciation for what police forensic departments have to go through... X|
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
On one occasion I got a hand-me-down laptop from the president of the company as he was getting a newer shinier one. At the time, I didn't need a laptop - I worked entirely on my custom desktop development monster machine and laptops were just too wimpy back then. I eventually used it for product demos at trade shows. Before that I decided to clean-up the disk as it didn't seem to have much space left. Needless to say, when I looked in the recycle bin I was shocked by the porn I found there - male gay and S&M stuff mostly, some bestiality. I deleted a lot of it and then thought I should un-delete it and save it as evidence. I ran a utility that ended up un-deleting a whole lot more, including some really nasty stuff! :omg: :wtf: X| At this point I panicked, wiped and reformatted the drive, installed Windows 98 to replace the old Windows 95 (that was the excuse I gave him for doing it) and lost the final dregs of any respect (not much) for him I had. I depended on his employment for my Green Card and decided, since I had thoroughly destroyed all the evidence, to not report him to the police at that time. :sigh: A couple of years later he fled the country with both the IRS (tax evasion) and the FBI (the rumour was that it was for child pornograhy - no proof but I believed it) in hot pursuit. We all lost our jobs as a result. Luckily, I had recently married a USian and didn't need him for an employment-based green card any more.:cool:
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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In my 38 year career as a programmer, I've had people I liked (and didn't), people I respected (and didn't). I've always managed to be sufficiently professional to deal with all of them, even though at times it was like gargling with broken glass. Of course, there's always that one exception. "BK" decided that I was a moron, since I worked on a different product line from him. Every time I dealt with him he would lie, misdirect, or ignore the question. When I finally recognized what was going on, I stopped talking to him: in person, in meetings, via e-mail, anything. I simply acted as if he didn't exist. He eventually 'retired' early, when they tried to reassign him to another product and he did absolutely nothing fox six months. This is the first and only person in my career whom I have actively hated. Even the people who were frustrating, less than bright, or just lazy could be dealt with. Not only would I throw this guy under the bus, I'd be driving it. The final piss-in-your-oatmeal of this story is, due to a succession of "workforce adjustments", I am now the maintainer of BK's product. See my post A couple of entries from the Codex Vomitus[^] in the Weird and the Wonderful for details.
Software Zen:
delete this;Except there's been more than one, I, too, use the ignore-their-existence method to whatever extent possible. One is a current fellow employee (used to be a friend) that betrayed trust - to perhaps earn a brownie point or two. The other, in the current environment, is a contractor and his cronies - who are singularly uncooperative (and crappy programmers, as well). In their case, actually, I'll occasionally say things to remind them that the in-house developers do it right, know what their up to . . . and will have no trouble tearing up their meal ticket. On the other hand, they do make us look good!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Except there's been more than one, I, too, use the ignore-their-existence method to whatever extent possible. One is a current fellow employee (used to be a friend) that betrayed trust - to perhaps earn a brownie point or two. The other, in the current environment, is a contractor and his cronies - who are singularly uncooperative (and crappy programmers, as well). In their case, actually, I'll occasionally say things to remind them that the in-house developers do it right, know what their up to . . . and will have no trouble tearing up their meal ticket. On the other hand, they do make us look good!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I did have one case of a sub-contractor who was spying on us, as they were a competitor on other USAF contracts. The guy became quite arrogant and indignant one Monday morning when he discovered his system administrator privileges had been revoked, and there were access control lists on everything. I didn't dislike the guy, he was pretty sharp. I just didn't approve of his lack of ethics.
Software Zen:
delete this; -
On one occasion I got a hand-me-down laptop from the president of the company as he was getting a newer shinier one. At the time, I didn't need a laptop - I worked entirely on my custom desktop development monster machine and laptops were just too wimpy back then. I eventually used it for product demos at trade shows. Before that I decided to clean-up the disk as it didn't seem to have much space left. Needless to say, when I looked in the recycle bin I was shocked by the porn I found there - male gay and S&M stuff mostly, some bestiality. I deleted a lot of it and then thought I should un-delete it and save it as evidence. I ran a utility that ended up un-deleting a whole lot more, including some really nasty stuff! :omg: :wtf: X| At this point I panicked, wiped and reformatted the drive, installed Windows 98 to replace the old Windows 95 (that was the excuse I gave him for doing it) and lost the final dregs of any respect (not much) for him I had. I depended on his employment for my Green Card and decided, since I had thoroughly destroyed all the evidence, to not report him to the police at that time. :sigh: A couple of years later he fled the country with both the IRS (tax evasion) and the FBI (the rumour was that it was for child pornograhy - no proof but I believed it) in hot pursuit. We all lost our jobs as a result. Luckily, I had recently married a USian and didn't need him for an employment-based green card any more.:cool:
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
That was how they caught Garry Glitter[^] - he took his computer to PC World for repair and they saw what was on his hard disk :omg: "Hello, Mr Policeman? We have something here you should see..."
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I did have one case of a sub-contractor who was spying on us, as they were a competitor on other USAF contracts. The guy became quite arrogant and indignant one Monday morning when he discovered his system administrator privileges had been revoked, and there were access control lists on everything. I didn't dislike the guy, he was pretty sharp. I just didn't approve of his lack of ethics.
Software Zen:
delete this;Ethics. Something I mentioned here, to some company bigshots: they should be very thankful and especially nice to the developers whom they know to have ethics. The havoc we could cause, including taking into account backups, is enormous. We're not like a cashier or teller: we hold the logical keys to their kingdom.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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There are some people who get along with everyone. Obviously, from my posts, you know I'm not one of them. But there are people who I don't get along with (and don't want to get along with). Unless one has some very special drugs, I don't think it's normal to get along with everyone - but what do I know. Examples at work include a person who deliberate breaches my trust or are a predator of vulnerable employees. And, of course, the chronic liars. [Chronic idiots aren't included because, well, they're idiots] This could probably be contorted into a survey question, but meanwhile, any comments (or more interestingly, examples!) ? Even those of you who claim you're described in the preceding paragraph
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Outside of work, I 'get along' with everyone, or at least pretend to. The medication really helps here. At work, the medication helps, but I can't keep the sarcasm at bay for too long when dealing with a colleague who needs help, or someone make a stupid suggestion/asks for an impossible deadline. My colleague would probably tell you that I can be a real prick at times! :) I can do this because I've been here for almost 20 years and all the code is mine. :) Still, I do realize I have a problem and will continue to overcome this fault! :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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There are some people who get along with everyone. Obviously, from my posts, you know I'm not one of them. But there are people who I don't get along with (and don't want to get along with). Unless one has some very special drugs, I don't think it's normal to get along with everyone - but what do I know. Examples at work include a person who deliberate breaches my trust or are a predator of vulnerable employees. And, of course, the chronic liars. [Chronic idiots aren't included because, well, they're idiots] This could probably be contorted into a survey question, but meanwhile, any comments (or more interestingly, examples!) ? Even those of you who claim you're described in the preceding paragraph
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I live in a resort town where the are tons of transient drunks individuals and few of us permanent residence who stay home at night. As I get older, perhaps it is because of my surroundings, perhaps not, but my tolerence of others is ever shrinking. Which I try to keep in check because they all have a right to be here and are probably nice people. I like to come here and enjoy the intelligent banter. Feels like the old home place.
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In my 38 year career as a programmer, I've had people I liked (and didn't), people I respected (and didn't). I've always managed to be sufficiently professional to deal with all of them, even though at times it was like gargling with broken glass. Of course, there's always that one exception. "BK" decided that I was a moron, since I worked on a different product line from him. Every time I dealt with him he would lie, misdirect, or ignore the question. When I finally recognized what was going on, I stopped talking to him: in person, in meetings, via e-mail, anything. I simply acted as if he didn't exist. He eventually 'retired' early, when they tried to reassign him to another product and he did absolutely nothing fox six months. This is the first and only person in my career whom I have actively hated. Even the people who were frustrating, less than bright, or just lazy could be dealt with. Not only would I throw this guy under the bus, I'd be driving it. The final piss-in-your-oatmeal of this story is, due to a succession of "workforce adjustments", I am now the maintainer of BK's product. See my post A couple of entries from the Codex Vomitus[^] in the Weird and the Wonderful for details.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote:
Not only would I throw this guy under the bus, I'd be driving it.
How would you throw him under the bus that you are driving? :laugh:
Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
Not only would I throw this guy under the bus, I'd be driving it.
How would you throw him under the bus that you are driving? :laugh:
Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:
Carefully, how else? :-D
Software Zen:
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There are some people who get along with everyone. Obviously, from my posts, you know I'm not one of them. But there are people who I don't get along with (and don't want to get along with). Unless one has some very special drugs, I don't think it's normal to get along with everyone - but what do I know. Examples at work include a person who deliberate breaches my trust or are a predator of vulnerable employees. And, of course, the chronic liars. [Chronic idiots aren't included because, well, they're idiots] This could probably be contorted into a survey question, but meanwhile, any comments (or more interestingly, examples!) ? Even those of you who claim you're described in the preceding paragraph
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I am generally interested in getting along with everyone, but if someone simply doesn't want to get along (be it a chronic liar or the "I am right and if you expect me to prove that with facts, I'll just yell at you"), I'll ignore said person.
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
Not only would I throw this guy under the bus, I'd be driving it.
How would you throw him under the bus that you are driving? :laugh:
Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:
Lower him/her gently by a rope around their neck?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I live in a resort town where the are tons of transient drunks individuals and few of us permanent residence who stay home at night. As I get older, perhaps it is because of my surroundings, perhaps not, but my tolerence of others is ever shrinking. Which I try to keep in check because they all have a right to be here and are probably nice people. I like to come here and enjoy the intelligent banter. Feels like the old home place.
Ron Anders wrote:
but my tolerence of others is ever shrinking.
perhaps a consequence of the epidemic of ignorance that has been inflicted upon embraced by the phone-toting text-junkies?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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There are some people who get along with everyone. Obviously, from my posts, you know I'm not one of them. But there are people who I don't get along with (and don't want to get along with). Unless one has some very special drugs, I don't think it's normal to get along with everyone - but what do I know. Examples at work include a person who deliberate breaches my trust or are a predator of vulnerable employees. And, of course, the chronic liars. [Chronic idiots aren't included because, well, they're idiots] This could probably be contorted into a survey question, but meanwhile, any comments (or more interestingly, examples!) ? Even those of you who claim you're described in the preceding paragraph
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I will leave this new way of thinking for you that I came up with a couple months ago and based on a many thing. Enjoy your life and avoid harm to other. *most every word is subjective **requires continued learning to know what harm to one individual is a pleasure to another. ***and so on ****'your life' could be you or your family/master/king/parent/child... Doing good to other I think only leads to harming your self for doing good to all is unending.
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I will leave this new way of thinking for you that I came up with a couple months ago and based on a many thing. Enjoy your life and avoid harm to other. *most every word is subjective **requires continued learning to know what harm to one individual is a pleasure to another. ***and so on ****'your life' could be you or your family/master/king/parent/child... Doing good to other I think only leads to harming your self for doing good to all is unending.
maze3 wrote:
Doing good to other I think only leads to harming your self for doing good to all is unending.
Doing Good - that is enough. And why quantify how much? Your philosophy, I fear, is a bit broken: malforming into virtual black-and-white what you, yourself, recognize as gray. Here's an easier philosophy for life that perhaps usurps the others:
So long as you are keeping score you can't help but lose.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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There are some people who get along with everyone. Obviously, from my posts, you know I'm not one of them. But there are people who I don't get along with (and don't want to get along with). Unless one has some very special drugs, I don't think it's normal to get along with everyone - but what do I know. Examples at work include a person who deliberate breaches my trust or are a predator of vulnerable employees. And, of course, the chronic liars. [Chronic idiots aren't included because, well, they're idiots] This could probably be contorted into a survey question, but meanwhile, any comments (or more interestingly, examples!) ? Even those of you who claim you're described in the preceding paragraph
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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milo-xml wrote:
Best compliment I ever got
Which naturally begs the questions: 1 - what served as a compliment prior to this? 2 - There is the ass-hole part still to be considered. Still - I suppose customs are different in other parts of the country. So don't take the questions, above, as too judgemental . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
