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  • K kalberts

    Moses tried the same. I wouldn't say he succeeded. Whether you refer to that thick black book or to Wikipedia: People don't live by it (and for the Pentateuch, I'd say: Fortunately). Consider what I write as an observation. If there was only a single understanding of it, it wouldn't be an eternal topic for arguments. Re. "arguments": A colleague of mine went on a week long meeting in an international standards comittee, for working out a new software standard. He came back rather frustrated: From Monday morning until Wednesday night,they had been fiercly fighting over one choice of word: Should it be termed arguments or parameters? Thursday morning they decided not to agree, leave the final decision for later, but use "arguments" for now, as a temporary solution, to get on with the work. But after lunch on Thursday, one guy brought up some arguments for "parameters" being a better temporary solution, and they spent the rest of Thursday and all Friday arguing which is te better temporary solution so they could get on with the work. Those were people who had just as firm thoughts: By defintion, they are arguments! Noooo, the defintion clearly says that they are parameters! As long as there is only one (monotheistic) religion, there is only one god. As long as there is only one definition, there is no argument. Neither assumption holds water.

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    Lost User
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    Member 7989122 wrote:

    As long as there is only one (monotheistic) religion, there is only one god.

    Religious people will never use scientific definitions and will always make up what they want the word to be. In IT, we have a clear definition. You can make up other crap, but again, doesn't change a thing.

    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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    • K kalberts

      Moses tried the same. I wouldn't say he succeeded. Whether you refer to that thick black book or to Wikipedia: People don't live by it (and for the Pentateuch, I'd say: Fortunately). Consider what I write as an observation. If there was only a single understanding of it, it wouldn't be an eternal topic for arguments. Re. "arguments": A colleague of mine went on a week long meeting in an international standards comittee, for working out a new software standard. He came back rather frustrated: From Monday morning until Wednesday night,they had been fiercly fighting over one choice of word: Should it be termed arguments or parameters? Thursday morning they decided not to agree, leave the final decision for later, but use "arguments" for now, as a temporary solution, to get on with the work. But after lunch on Thursday, one guy brought up some arguments for "parameters" being a better temporary solution, and they spent the rest of Thursday and all Friday arguing which is te better temporary solution so they could get on with the work. Those were people who had just as firm thoughts: By defintion, they are arguments! Noooo, the defintion clearly says that they are parameters! As long as there is only one (monotheistic) religion, there is only one god. As long as there is only one definition, there is no argument. Neither assumption holds water.

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      Member 7989122 wrote:

      Those were people who had just as firm thoughts: By defintion, they are arguments! Noooo, the defintion clearly says that they are parameters!

      The thing in the signature is a parameter. If you assign a value to the parameter, that is the argument. You provide arguments to the parameter when invoking. Instead of arguing, buy a dictionary.

      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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      • K kalberts

        Moses tried the same. I wouldn't say he succeeded. Whether you refer to that thick black book or to Wikipedia: People don't live by it (and for the Pentateuch, I'd say: Fortunately). Consider what I write as an observation. If there was only a single understanding of it, it wouldn't be an eternal topic for arguments. Re. "arguments": A colleague of mine went on a week long meeting in an international standards comittee, for working out a new software standard. He came back rather frustrated: From Monday morning until Wednesday night,they had been fiercly fighting over one choice of word: Should it be termed arguments or parameters? Thursday morning they decided not to agree, leave the final decision for later, but use "arguments" for now, as a temporary solution, to get on with the work. But after lunch on Thursday, one guy brought up some arguments for "parameters" being a better temporary solution, and they spent the rest of Thursday and all Friday arguing which is te better temporary solution so they could get on with the work. Those were people who had just as firm thoughts: By defintion, they are arguments! Noooo, the defintion clearly says that they are parameters! As long as there is only one (monotheistic) religion, there is only one god. As long as there is only one definition, there is no argument. Neither assumption holds water.

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        Nathan Minier
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        I don't think that comparing synonyms (or synonymous usage in this case) to the nature of definitions really has much meaning.

        "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

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        • A Amarnath S

          Ask them how Java and JavaScript are related :-)

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          Mark_Wallace
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          The same mother(f---)

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          • K kalberts

            Some say this, some say that... When discussing with librarians, I usually argue that metadata is "data about data": The catalog entry tells about a given book, it isn't the book. While the title page is (part of) the book. "Metadata" is a function, the way we use information: When you use the title and author in the catalog to learn something about the existence of a book, you use it as metadata. When you read the same words on the title page, they are plain data. Few librarians have really thought through the exact definition; they haven't had the need for it, as long as metadata in the form of indexes and catalogs is available. When they start thinking, they usually split into two groups (or more!) with different opinions, and I can quietly pull back while they continue the fighting. I am certainly not absolute about what I suggest to the librarians. Anyone is free to scream out to me: "YOU are wrong!" I hear that from people with so strongly differing ideas about the right answer that I remain calm and relaxed.

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            Mark_Wallace
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            OK, a quick rule of thumb: If you can assign a value to it (like a book title), it ain't meta-data. Meta-data just tells you what it is -- wild e.g. "The title is the name used to identify the book". You can't assign values to it, because it is what it is*. * I always wanted to use that phrase in a way that made real sense.

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            • L Lost User

              Mark_Wallace wrote:

              Well, they say that great minds think alike, so it only follows that daft ones do, too.

              I think a great mind is very alike a crazy one :)

              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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              Mark_Wallace
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              There's a thin line between genius and insanity, and everyone knows which side of the line I'm on.

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                Heard a professor in IT once claim that you could very easily convert C# to JavaScript, since both were object-languages :)

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                Mark_Wallace
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                Well, he wasn't far wrong. I mean C# is an object language, and javascript is an objectionable one.

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                • M Mark_Wallace

                  There's a thin line between genius and insanity, and everyone knows which side of the line I'm on.

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  The fun side :D

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                  • E Eytukan

                    It's a bit funny to see the managing bosses randomly use terminologies as per their wish. Like Authenticate/Authorize, Data/Meta-Data, and so many of them. Completely mixed up. But still everyone nods their head and keeps going lol :-D

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                    Gary Wheeler
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                    Back in the 80's I worked for a defense contractor. My boss was a wonderful woman who handled customers really well, and stayed out of the tech folks' way. It wasn't until after you got to know her that you realized she didn't have the faintest clue what she was talking about if the conversation went the least bit technical.

                    Software Zen: delete this;

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                    • G Gary Wheeler

                      Back in the 80's I worked for a defense contractor. My boss was a wonderful woman who handled customers really well, and stayed out of the tech folks' way. It wasn't until after you got to know her that you realized she didn't have the faintest clue what she was talking about if the conversation went the least bit technical.

                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                      Eytukan
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                      I take extra care to ensure, stakeholders of this type are never left to feel uncomfortable on the conversation. Many times, I had taken a pause to tell them - ("I could explain you how this works, after the call"). Just to free the person and the other parties from an ambiguous situation, during the call.

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