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Mass complaints by developers cause Microsoft to change.

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  • Z ZurdoDev

    Precisely. However, who makes better Products than Microsoft?

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    However, who makes better Products than Microsoft?

    Just about everyone, IME. In fact, some of Microsoft's products were literally so bad that they killed them off in favour of open source alternatives. TFVC was such a dumpster-fire that MS bought github instead of trying to fix it. Windows Mobile was so bad that it caused the largest phone manufacturer to become the smallest phone manufacturer in less than 18 months. Windows CE was such a pain to use that every single embedded device OS uses something else (more often than not, Linux). Right now I think it might even be officially dead from Microsoft. Their edge browser engine was so unfixable they simply replaced it with one they didn't write. Their OS, in general, is so unsuitable for cloud computing that, right now, there are more Linux instances on Azure than their are Windows instances on Azure. So, yeah, other than a few outliers that really are humdingers in terms of revenue, the majority of their stuff is simply ignored by the world. C# appears to be one thing they got correct. Lets see how long it is before a new boss comes in to MS and f***s it up.

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      However, who makes better Products than Microsoft?

      Just about everyone, IME. In fact, some of Microsoft's products were literally so bad that they killed them off in favour of open source alternatives. TFVC was such a dumpster-fire that MS bought github instead of trying to fix it. Windows Mobile was so bad that it caused the largest phone manufacturer to become the smallest phone manufacturer in less than 18 months. Windows CE was such a pain to use that every single embedded device OS uses something else (more often than not, Linux). Right now I think it might even be officially dead from Microsoft. Their edge browser engine was so unfixable they simply replaced it with one they didn't write. Their OS, in general, is so unsuitable for cloud computing that, right now, there are more Linux instances on Azure than their are Windows instances on Azure. So, yeah, other than a few outliers that really are humdingers in terms of revenue, the majority of their stuff is simply ignored by the world. C# appears to be one thing they got correct. Lets see how long it is before a new boss comes in to MS and f***s it up.

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      Member 13301679 wrote:

      Just about everyone

      Nobody makes a better office suite nor a better OS. Development tools by Microsoft far outshine anyone else. They pioneered touch-screen. Version Control in TFS is better than the others. Your opinion is different than mine but the fact that they still run the software speaks volumes.

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        Member 13301679 wrote:

        Just about everyone

        Nobody makes a better office suite nor a better OS. Development tools by Microsoft far outshine anyone else. They pioneered touch-screen. Version Control in TFS is better than the others. Your opinion is different than mine but the fact that they still run the software speaks volumes.

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        Well, you asked who makes better software than Microsoft, and I gave a few examples of the top of my head where they make poor software. I also said they have a few humdinger cash-cows (i.e. Windows, Office, Xbox and Azure). Even their OS is limited to desktop use almost exclusively, and that's because that's what came with the PC or that's what corporates buy. When users where given a choice to buy devices with or without Windows on them, they rejected Windows almost universally. On the desktop users get no choice. Everywhere else they chose something other than Windows.

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          Well, you asked who makes better software than Microsoft, and I gave a few examples of the top of my head where they make poor software. I also said they have a few humdinger cash-cows (i.e. Windows, Office, Xbox and Azure). Even their OS is limited to desktop use almost exclusively, and that's because that's what came with the PC or that's what corporates buy. When users where given a choice to buy devices with or without Windows on them, they rejected Windows almost universally. On the desktop users get no choice. Everywhere else they chose something other than Windows.

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          Member 13301679 wrote:

          they rejected Windows almost universally.

          I bought a PC and installed Linux instead of Windows once. Worst computer mistake I've ever made. Windows is so many times better than Linux.

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            Member 13301679 wrote:

            they rejected Windows almost universally.

            I bought a PC and installed Linux instead of Windows once. Worst computer mistake I've ever made. Windows is so many times better than Linux.

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            Windows is so many times better than Linux.

            Is that why Linux is preferred over Windows for supercomputers? Or for large HA clusters? Or small clusters? Or servers? Or high-resource workstations? Or tablets? Or phones? Or credit-card terminals? Or car on-board computers? Or car infotainment systems? Or industrial control systems? Or IoT devices? For the desktop, Windows is ubiquituous. Outside of that single, narrow space Linux has been chosen time and time again by industry over Windows offerings. Now, I've written software for Supercomputing clusters, for HA clusters, for phones, credit-card terminals, Industrial systems, IoT devices, factories, and even munitions control systems, and all of those systems run Linux, not Windows. On the desktop, the OS is allowed to be unreliable so Windows is great! When the software is controlling explosives, any failure mode is unacceptable and so Windows is very rarely seen. Now I'm glad that Windows works for you, and you seem to quite like it, but in pure numbers alone the number of Windows installations is a fraction of the number of Linux systems out there. Android (running on Linux, natch) alone has roughly twice as many users as MS Windows globally. Once Windows hits the numbers that Linux has, then we can actually compare them - now there is no point because Windows usage is so tiny compared to Linux usage.

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