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  • K kalberts

    When I learned the way C# understands arrays, it gave me a deja-vu to Algol 68. In those days (the language definition was published in 1968), hardware wasn't fast enough to make such complex language very useful. Experience with optimizing such constructs were limited, too. So Algol 68 never made it into the mainstream. When I learned about it 10-12 years later (we didn't have a compiler, but studied its concepts, in the university compiler course) we saw it as a collection of great ideas that couldn't be realized in practice, in any useful way. So when I saw C# actually realizing those array concepts, it was sort of like a dream from my student days coming true.

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    What concepts are those? Because automatically managed dynamic generic type-safe arrays by themselves don't wow me as much, I've been using them extensively in Delphi as well and they're just as comfortable as in C#.

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      What concepts are those? Because automatically managed dynamic generic type-safe arrays by themselves don't wow me as much, I've been using them extensively in Delphi as well and they're just as comfortable as in C#.

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      First and foremost, ragged arrays - a vector of vectors (of vectors of ...), each of a different size. That requires a radically different memory allocation strategy and address calculation strategy. (Algol 68 also allowed arbitrary lower bounds, which unfortunately has not been carried over to C#.) Also, a function argument could be an array of any dimension; it was transferred by a descriptor stating the dimension of the actual argument. I am not sure if the actual argument could be dimensioned at runtime - with all the other mechanisms required for array handling, dynamic sizing woudln't add that much extra :-). Lots of the things you see in Algol 68 (in addition to ragged, dynamically sized arrays) are present / common in languages of today. But Algol 68 preceeded Pascal by two years, it appeared at roughly the same time as Fortran IV. While we were using named COMMON in Fortran, Algol 68 offered dynamic, ragged arrays, with index checks. And pointers. And user defined operators. And threads with semaphore synchronization. And ... It was like a brainstorming language. All the crazy ideas thrown out on the table at the same time. It took quite a few years to mold those ideas into something useful, and learn how they could be realized efficiently. Today we know how. But fifty plus years ago, the ideas seemed rather crazy to those who worried about the different address calculation whether you lay out fixed size, rectangular arrays by row (Pascal) or by column (Fortran). Algol 68 was in a completely different world, at that time.

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        First and foremost, ragged arrays - a vector of vectors (of vectors of ...), each of a different size. That requires a radically different memory allocation strategy and address calculation strategy. (Algol 68 also allowed arbitrary lower bounds, which unfortunately has not been carried over to C#.) Also, a function argument could be an array of any dimension; it was transferred by a descriptor stating the dimension of the actual argument. I am not sure if the actual argument could be dimensioned at runtime - with all the other mechanisms required for array handling, dynamic sizing woudln't add that much extra :-). Lots of the things you see in Algol 68 (in addition to ragged, dynamically sized arrays) are present / common in languages of today. But Algol 68 preceeded Pascal by two years, it appeared at roughly the same time as Fortran IV. While we were using named COMMON in Fortran, Algol 68 offered dynamic, ragged arrays, with index checks. And pointers. And user defined operators. And threads with semaphore synchronization. And ... It was like a brainstorming language. All the crazy ideas thrown out on the table at the same time. It took quite a few years to mold those ideas into something useful, and learn how they could be realized efficiently. Today we know how. But fifty plus years ago, the ideas seemed rather crazy to those who worried about the different address calculation whether you lay out fixed size, rectangular arrays by row (Pascal) or by column (Fortran). Algol 68 was in a completely different world, at that time.

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        Thank you for the explanation.

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          [obligatory XKCD](https://xkcd.com/927/)

          I'd rather be phishing!

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          That really is the best explanation of the proliferation of programming languages.

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