The Iceberg Secret
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For all you developers who've ever complained about customer expectations. :-D For all of you who've ever been stressed out with development deadlines. :~ For everyone who can't stand sitting through meetings with users. :rolleyes: You need to know The Iceberg Secret: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000356.html[^] John www.silveronion.com[^]
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For all you developers who've ever complained about customer expectations. :-D For all of you who've ever been stressed out with development deadlines. :~ For everyone who can't stand sitting through meetings with users. :rolleyes: You need to know The Iceberg Secret: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000356.html[^] John www.silveronion.com[^]
Good read, thanks! Jeremy Falcon
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For all you developers who've ever complained about customer expectations. :-D For all of you who've ever been stressed out with development deadlines. :~ For everyone who can't stand sitting through meetings with users. :rolleyes: You need to know The Iceberg Secret: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000356.html[^] John www.silveronion.com[^]
(from the article)
Important Corollary Three. The dotcom that has the cool, polished looking web site and about four web pages will get a higher valuation than the highly functional dotcom with 3700 years of archives and a default grey background. _Oh, wait, dotcoms aren't worth anything any more. Never mind._:laugh:
Maximilien Lincourt For success one must aquire one's self
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For all you developers who've ever complained about customer expectations. :-D For all of you who've ever been stressed out with development deadlines. :~ For everyone who can't stand sitting through meetings with users. :rolleyes: You need to know The Iceberg Secret: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000356.html[^] John www.silveronion.com[^]
Yeah, I agree with most of what was written. But this idea that non-technical people only look 'skin deep' is not only true for them, but I say it even applies for technical people as well. After more than 10 years in the component software business, I have to say that many clients get more caught up on things such as cool screen shots than the functionality of the components. Troy Marchand VP Product Development Dundas Software
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Yeah, I agree with most of what was written. But this idea that non-technical people only look 'skin deep' is not only true for them, but I say it even applies for technical people as well. After more than 10 years in the component software business, I have to say that many clients get more caught up on things such as cool screen shots than the functionality of the components. Troy Marchand VP Product Development Dundas Software
Yeah, I guess we all fall victim of that because people are just visual by nature. I mean, would you rather hear Matrix Reloaded or watch it? Jeremy Falcon
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Yeah, I guess we all fall victim of that because people are just visual by nature. I mean, would you rather hear Matrix Reloaded or watch it? Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: would you rather hear Matrix Reloaded or watch it? Neither. Matt Praise HIM - Unknown
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Yeah, I guess we all fall victim of that because people are just visual by nature. I mean, would you rather hear Matrix Reloaded or watch it? Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I mean, would you rather hear Matrix Reloaded or watch it? While people are visual by nature that is an unfair comparison. It should be "Would you rather watch the Matrix or listen to Bach #9*." Many people will choose Bach #9 :) * I may have that wrong, but you get the point
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: would you rather hear Matrix Reloaded or watch it? Neither. Matt Praise HIM - Unknown
LOL! Jeremy Falcon
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Yeah, I agree with most of what was written. But this idea that non-technical people only look 'skin deep' is not only true for them, but I say it even applies for technical people as well. After more than 10 years in the component software business, I have to say that many clients get more caught up on things such as cool screen shots than the functionality of the components. Troy Marchand VP Product Development Dundas Software
Troy Marchand wrote: But this idea that non-technical people only look 'skin deep' is not only true for them, but I say it even applies for technical people as well. At least technical people stand some chance of understanding there is a big leap from a prototype 'mock-up' screenshot, to the final fully-functional product. Non-technical people/users/managers see the nice buttons and graphics, and think that's it. I have sat through meetings where people have spent the whole time discussing what colours the textboxes should be, and whether grid columns should be left or right aligned. :rolleyes: UI design and cosmetics are important - But what happens is the users only talk about what they can see (the tip of the iceberg), while you (the developer) are more worried about establishing how the user expects the software to work. John www.silveronion.com[^]
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For all you developers who've ever complained about customer expectations. :-D For all of you who've ever been stressed out with development deadlines. :~ For everyone who can't stand sitting through meetings with users. :rolleyes: You need to know The Iceberg Secret: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000356.html[^] John www.silveronion.com[^]
thanks, interesting POV BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: would you rather hear Matrix Reloaded or watch it? Neither. Matt Praise HIM - Unknown
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I mean, would you rather hear Matrix Reloaded or watch it? While people are visual by nature that is an unfair comparison. It should be "Would you rather watch the Matrix or listen to Bach #9*." Many people will choose Bach #9 :) * I may have that wrong, but you get the point
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
Paul Watson wrote: but you get the point I see what you are saying. Some people may enjoy using their sense of hearing over or just as much as sight. And, I agree with that. The point I was trying to make is that our perception would be confined in this instance – just like it is in the client/coder situation. That’s why I stuck with only referring to a movie. They only know what they see on the screen. They aren’t given the choice of understanding it any other way because they do not know the jargon involved. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I mean, would you rather hear Matrix Reloaded or watch it? While people are visual by nature that is an unfair comparison. It should be "Would you rather watch the Matrix or listen to Bach #9*." Many people will choose Bach #9 :) * I may have that wrong, but you get the point
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
Paul Watson wrote: Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors... :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: John www.silveronion.com[^]
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Paul Watson wrote: Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors... :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: John www.silveronion.com[^]
John Honan wrote: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: I could not let it pass by. Vivek, if you are reading this and feel a bit offended then just tell me and I will pull the sig. I don't mean to ridicule you in anyway, I just thought the statement was funny (in a good humoured way.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
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Paul Watson wrote: but you get the point I see what you are saying. Some people may enjoy using their sense of hearing over or just as much as sight. And, I agree with that. The point I was trying to make is that our perception would be confined in this instance – just like it is in the client/coder situation. That’s why I stuck with only referring to a movie. They only know what they see on the screen. They aren’t given the choice of understanding it any other way because they do not know the jargon involved. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: They aren’t given the choice of understanding it any other way because they do not know the jargon involved. Good point and quite true. Just on the general topic I find the biggest problem with users and software is they don't experiment. They are afraid that any click they do wrong will destroy the system, delete unrecoverable data. When I get a new app I go wild with it. I click everything, I try everything, I throw caution to the wind. I learn a lot that way. If I am afraid of something terrible going wrong then a backup is the solution. Users must be shown that experimenting is perfectly fine and there is nothing to be afraid of.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
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John Honan wrote: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: I could not let it pass by. Vivek, if you are reading this and feel a bit offended then just tell me and I will pull the sig. I don't mean to ridicule you in anyway, I just thought the statement was funny (in a good humoured way.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
I have been playing WAY TO MUCH Morrowind. I saw your post Vivek and my brain instantly read "Vivic". In fact, today I had that weird thing happen where every bush or shrub on the roadside made me think things like "Roobrush, Hackle-To Leaf, Heather, Kresh Weed". For those of you who don't understand any of this off topic blather consider yourself lucky. Morrowind[^] is crack for the socially inept (i.e. me).
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: would you rather hear Matrix Reloaded or watch it? Neither. Matt Praise HIM - Unknown
Matt Newman wrote: Neither. Your sig adequatley says all I want to say on the matter. ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
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Matt Newman wrote: Neither. Your sig adequatley says all I want to say on the matter. ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
Paul Watson wrote: Your sig adequatley says all I want to say on the matter. Really? I can understand why. Matt BURN HIM! - David Wulff
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Yeah, I agree with most of what was written. But this idea that non-technical people only look 'skin deep' is not only true for them, but I say it even applies for technical people as well. After more than 10 years in the component software business, I have to say that many clients get more caught up on things such as cool screen shots than the functionality of the components. Troy Marchand VP Product Development Dundas Software
Troy Marchand wrote: But this idea that non-technical people only look 'skin deep' is not only true for them, but I say it even applies for technical people as well. True, although the technical people at least notice the rest. I love "slick" UIs, but I also want the program to get the job done. I tend to think of a software as poor quality if it has a "blah" UI, but I just may end up using it more than a different program with a slicker UI if it gets the job done better. I take to the one with the slick UI first, but I'll be turned off to it if it doesn't do its job. Good UIs make a big difference in the customer's satisfaction, so many companies make slick UI's and then skimp on the functionality. They figure the customers will go for the slick UI and then it will be too late by the time they find out how little it can do, or how hard it is to be productive with it. Then there are the people who make a really good program with a poor UI, and wonder why it doesn't sell well. Really, both aspects should be considered in the design. Right now I'm working on a collection of UI components that are both big on "eye candy" and intuitive/easy to use. :) It's a shame how many really good controls have no way of even changing the colors used to draw the control. :(
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." - Jesus
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I have been playing WAY TO MUCH Morrowind. I saw your post Vivek and my brain instantly read "Vivic". In fact, today I had that weird thing happen where every bush or shrub on the roadside made me think things like "Roobrush, Hackle-To Leaf, Heather, Kresh Weed". For those of you who don't understand any of this off topic blather consider yourself lucky. Morrowind[^] is crack for the socially inept (i.e. me).
Tom Welch wrote: Morrowind[^] is crack for the socially inept Up until that bit I understood about three words in your entire post. But once you said that I went BING and realised "Ahhh, like CP is to me. Ok." :rolleyes:
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...