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  • M Mycroft Holmes

    Ah now that is just disappointing, I got all excited that someone had finally made a film of that particular classic.

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    BillWoodruff
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    Isn't it crazy SIASL has never been made into a movie, or tv series ? I read the SyFy channel was going to do it, years ago. Another SF classic that I think could be great on film is LeGuin's "Left Hand of Darkness."

    «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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    • D DRHuff

      I was feeling down on Christmas Day and I called the Depression Hot Line. I got a call centre in Pakistan! I told them I was suicidal... They got all excited and asked if I knew how to drive a truck! :laugh:

      I, for one, like Roman Numerals.

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      They didn't send you a nice vest full of marcipan for Christmas to cheer you up? :-\

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        That's...the darkest thing I've ever read coming from you, Bill. I did not expect this.

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        Vikram A Punathambekar
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        I... had the exact same thought. Rather out of character for Bill. @BillWoodruff ^

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        • B BillWoodruff

          Don't let it get you down; after all, it's the thought that counts, and New Year's eve might be a better choice, anyway :omg:

          «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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          Marco Bertschi
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          I can understand that this may seem funny for some, but as someone who spends time as voluntary firefighter I'm speaking to those who may think about committing suicide: Don't. Contact someone, be it someone you know or a suicide hotline. Throwing yourself under a train is a bad idea, you disrupt not only many commuters schedule but also but a strain on other peoples mental health: be it accidental witnesses, train drives, first responders and so on. I'm not part of the group who recovers people from beneath trains, and quite frankly I'm glad about that. I am, however, part of the lake search and rescue group, and trying to recover someone who went swimming without the intention to come back in icy january conditions is beyond a bad experience. So, kids, here's the takeaway: Don't commit suicide, talk to someone - friends, family, helplines, 112, 911 - they'll be happy to help you and work out a solution. If you're suffering from a terminal illness, go with Exit, Dignitas or any other organization. And last but not least: Don't encourage suicide, online or in real life if the person hasn't a terminal condition - Studies have proven that after public coverage of suicides the rate tends to go up. /Edit: some things became less clear in writing as they were in my head, see my answer to Eddy's post as there are somethings written out more clear.

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            I can understand that this may seem funny for some, but as someone who spends time as voluntary firefighter I'm speaking to those who may think about committing suicide: Don't. Contact someone, be it someone you know or a suicide hotline. Throwing yourself under a train is a bad idea, you disrupt not only many commuters schedule but also but a strain on other peoples mental health: be it accidental witnesses, train drives, first responders and so on. I'm not part of the group who recovers people from beneath trains, and quite frankly I'm glad about that. I am, however, part of the lake search and rescue group, and trying to recover someone who went swimming without the intention to come back in icy january conditions is beyond a bad experience. So, kids, here's the takeaway: Don't commit suicide, talk to someone - friends, family, helplines, 112, 911 - they'll be happy to help you and work out a solution. If you're suffering from a terminal illness, go with Exit, Dignitas or any other organization. And last but not least: Don't encourage suicide, online or in real life if the person hasn't a terminal condition - Studies have proven that after public coverage of suicides the rate tends to go up. /Edit: some things became less clear in writing as they were in my head, see my answer to Eddy's post as there are somethings written out more clear.

            I only have a signature in order to let @DalekDave follow my posts.

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            Marco Bertschi wrote:

            Throwing yourself under a train is a bad idea, you disrupt not only many commuters schedule

            People will keep doing that, despite your warning; for one who wants to end their life, there is no clean alternative to that mess.

            Marco Bertschi wrote:

            if the person hasn't a terminal condition

            So, only allowed for the terminal eh? Not for the incurably sick, or those whose life only consists of suffering or pain. I'm not encouraging it nor approving of it, but I will also not act as if these people are merely a bit confused and that a single phonecall will solve it all.

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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              Marco Bertschi wrote:

              Throwing yourself under a train is a bad idea, you disrupt not only many commuters schedule

              People will keep doing that, despite your warning; for one who wants to end their life, there is no clean alternative to that mess.

              Marco Bertschi wrote:

              if the person hasn't a terminal condition

              So, only allowed for the terminal eh? Not for the incurably sick, or those whose life only consists of suffering or pain. I'm not encouraging it nor approving of it, but I will also not act as if these people are merely a bit confused and that a single phonecall will solve it all.

              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

              Not for the incurably sick, or those whose life only consists of suffering or pain

              I'm sorry if I misused the term "terminal" - I meant to include those. In my head, that all sounds pretty terminal, though.

              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

              I'm not encouraging it nor approving of it, but I will also not act as if these people are merely a bit confused and that a single phonecall will solve it all.

              A single phone call doesn't solve anything, but it may be good start to get better (for some, at least - Not for everyone, I know that). Apart from that, if someone is seriously thinking about ending their life they are more than " a bit confused " (no judging here) - It's a serious condition, treatable for some for sure, but not for everyone. Anyways, any form of encouraging or judging suicide without knowing about the specific circumstances an individual is in my opinion plain wrong, an that is what I was aiming at with my previous post.

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                Marco Bertschi wrote:

                Throwing yourself under a train is a bad idea, you disrupt not only many commuters schedule

                People will keep doing that, despite your warning; for one who wants to end their life, there is no clean alternative to that mess.

                Marco Bertschi wrote:

                if the person hasn't a terminal condition

                So, only allowed for the terminal eh? Not for the incurably sick, or those whose life only consists of suffering or pain. I'm not encouraging it nor approving of it, but I will also not act as if these people are merely a bit confused and that a single phonecall will solve it all.

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                People will keep doing that, despite your warning; for one who wants to end their life, there is no clean alternative to that mess.

                I know, I know... encouragement doesn't help either, though. I guess I just felt like I had to counter the grim, dark point of the OP.

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                • M Marco Bertschi

                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                  People will keep doing that, despite your warning; for one who wants to end their life, there is no clean alternative to that mess.

                  I know, I know... encouragement doesn't help either, though. I guess I just felt like I had to counter the grim, dark point of the OP.

                  I only have a signature in order to let @DalekDave follow my posts.

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                  Aight, good point :thumbsup:

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                  • B BillWoodruff

                    Don't let it get you down; after all, it's the thought that counts, and New Year's eve might be a better choice, anyway :omg:

                    «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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                    To quote Bender from Futurama: [Do a flip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IavUg17J2GU)!

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                    • B BillWoodruff

                      Isn't it crazy SIASL has never been made into a movie, or tv series ? I read the SyFy channel was going to do it, years ago. Another SF classic that I think could be great on film is LeGuin's "Left Hand of Darkness."

                      «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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                      Ringworld, or better all the Known Space stories - done right, they could be superb.

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                        Ringworld, or better all the Known Space stories - done right, they could be superb.

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                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        done right, they could be superb

                        Aye, there's the rub. Animating a Puppeteer, with appropriate gait and motions, would be no mean trick. Hmm. Who would you want to play Louis Wu? Teela Brown? I assume Speaker-To-Animals would be CGI, so voice?

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                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          done right, they could be superb

                          Aye, there's the rub. Animating a Puppeteer, with appropriate gait and motions, would be no mean trick. Hmm. Who would you want to play Louis Wu? Teela Brown? I assume Speaker-To-Animals would be CGI, so voice?

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          Bring it up to date a little - more in keeping with the modern world - and make Louis Wu female: Dominique Tipper? Teela Brown? s a tricky one - I've always considered her as "young, blonde, and "cheerleader-ish", but I'm not au fait with actresses like that. Speaker is voice only, so ... Samuel L Jackson?

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                            Bring it up to date a little - more in keeping with the modern world - and make Louis Wu female: Dominique Tipper? Teela Brown? s a tricky one - I've always considered her as "young, blonde, and "cheerleader-ish", but I'm not au fait with actresses like that. Speaker is voice only, so ... Samuel L Jackson?

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                            OriginalGriff wrote:

                            Dominique Tipper

                            Wow she dresses down in Expanse.

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                              I can understand that this may seem funny for some, but as someone who spends time as voluntary firefighter I'm speaking to those who may think about committing suicide: Don't. Contact someone, be it someone you know or a suicide hotline. Throwing yourself under a train is a bad idea, you disrupt not only many commuters schedule but also but a strain on other peoples mental health: be it accidental witnesses, train drives, first responders and so on. I'm not part of the group who recovers people from beneath trains, and quite frankly I'm glad about that. I am, however, part of the lake search and rescue group, and trying to recover someone who went swimming without the intention to come back in icy january conditions is beyond a bad experience. So, kids, here's the takeaway: Don't commit suicide, talk to someone - friends, family, helplines, 112, 911 - they'll be happy to help you and work out a solution. If you're suffering from a terminal illness, go with Exit, Dignitas or any other organization. And last but not least: Don't encourage suicide, online or in real life if the person hasn't a terminal condition - Studies have proven that after public coverage of suicides the rate tends to go up. /Edit: some things became less clear in writing as they were in my head, see my answer to Eddy's post as there are somethings written out more clear.

                              I only have a signature in order to let @DalekDave follow my posts.

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                              Takeaway No. 2 is: Don't take seriously what is not said seriously. Here are two of the main causes of suicide, particularly youth suicide: 1. Being forced by others to behave how one does not want to behave. 2. Being ostracised for using words that others snobbishly decide to treat as offensive. So, if you want to set yourself up to look like someone who cares about preventing suicide, and who is therefore a Very Good Chap, you should avoid telling people (including Bill) how they Must and Must Not behave, and also telling people (including Bill) how they Must and Must Not speak.

                              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                That's...the darkest thing I've ever read coming from you, Bill. I did not expect this.

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                                dandy72 wrote:

                                .the darkest thing I've ever read coming from you,

                                Hard to tell. Most of what he posts I don't understand anyway. It could all be dark for all I know. :laugh:

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                                  Takeaway No. 2 is: Don't take seriously what is not said seriously. Here are two of the main causes of suicide, particularly youth suicide: 1. Being forced by others to behave how one does not want to behave. 2. Being ostracised for using words that others snobbishly decide to treat as offensive. So, if you want to set yourself up to look like someone who cares about preventing suicide, and who is therefore a Very Good Chap, you should avoid telling people (including Bill) how they Must and Must Not behave, and also telling people (including Bill) how they Must and Must Not speak.

                                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                  Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                  you should avoid telling people (including Bill) how they Must and Must Not behave, and also telling people (including Bill) how they Must and Must Not speak.

                                  I never said anyone _must_ behave the way I said. Merely voicing an opinion. Sorry, I'm not a native speaker.

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                                    dandy72 wrote:

                                    .the darkest thing I've ever read coming from you,

                                    Hard to tell. Most of what he posts I don't understand anyway. It could all be dark for all I know. :laugh:

                                    Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                    BillWoodruff
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                                    ZurdoDev wrote:

                                    could all be dark for all I know

                                    You are very close to the light, there.

                                    «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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                                      Takeaway No. 2 is: Don't take seriously what is not said seriously. Here are two of the main causes of suicide, particularly youth suicide: 1. Being forced by others to behave how one does not want to behave. 2. Being ostracised for using words that others snobbishly decide to treat as offensive. So, if you want to set yourself up to look like someone who cares about preventing suicide, and who is therefore a Very Good Chap, you should avoid telling people (including Bill) how they Must and Must Not behave, and also telling people (including Bill) how they Must and Must Not speak.

                                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                      I appreciate the concern, but: what if I enjoy being whipped ?

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                                        I appreciate the concern, but: what if I enjoy being whipped ?

                                        «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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                                        BillWoodruff wrote:

                                        what if I enjoy being whipped ?

                                        Wear a T-shirt emblazoned with "UHT Cream".

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                                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                          Bring it up to date a little - more in keeping with the modern world - and make Louis Wu female: Dominique Tipper? Teela Brown? s a tricky one - I've always considered her as "young, blonde, and "cheerleader-ish", but I'm not au fait with actresses like that. Speaker is voice only, so ... Samuel L Jackson?

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                                          Gary R Wheeler
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                                          If you're switching genders on the characters: Louisa Wu: Katie Sackhoff Teller Brown: Tobey Maguire

                                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                                          Speaker is voice only, so ... Samuel L Jackson?

                                          Hmm. I was thinking a voice with a lower register, given Speaker's size. Idris Elba, perhaps. James Earl Jones would be good too. Aha! Vin Diesel. We also need a voice (if not an entire choir) for Nessus. Karen Carpenter would have been perfect, but she's long passed. The voice would probably have an effect with it, since Nessus speaks with both mouths at once in harmony.

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