Code Project Project (CPP) [UPDATED 5/31]
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You are aware that the Subversion developers themselves are using it to version control the Subversion project? It's looking pretty good and they're in beta phase now ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
Jim Crafton wrote: You are aware that the Subversion developers themselves are using it to version control the Subversion project? Yep! Jim Crafton wrote: It's looking pretty good and they're in beta phase now Using a SC system which is in beta phase is not good QA though. Believe me, I've lost code in an unstable SC system before, and it's not a fun thingTM :(( -- I'm the figure head on a ship of fools
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You are aware that the Subversion developers themselves are using it to version control the Subversion project? It's looking pretty good and they're in beta phase now ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
And another thing; how good are the tools for SubVersion? For WinCVS there are a couple of really good tools. Standalone applications as well as VC/VS-addins. -- I'm the figure head on a ship of fools
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Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Hi Jason, Count me in! if you want me-he he he :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
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I think this is a fine idea. Marc Clifton has already sown the seeds as far as I am concerned. After his series of articles I don't look at application development the same way. Marc are you reading? Any chances in moving the AAL from a source forge project to a part or subporject of the new CP project? Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Chris Austin wrote: Any chances in moving the AAL from a source forge project to a part or subporject of the new CP project? Sure! I'd be fine with that. Chris Austin wrote: I don't look at application development the same way. :jig: :cool: :jig: Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
Should we use only the most popular idea or should we split the ideas into multiple projects?
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Chris Austin wrote: Any chances in moving the AAL from a source forge project to a part or subporject of the new CP project? Sure! I'd be fine with that. Chris Austin wrote: I don't look at application development the same way. :jig: :cool: :jig: Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Too bad my co-workers aren't so happy now that I've become the instrumented framework nazi. :) Seriously, I'll be glad to help with your efforts if you can put up with a lot of questions and bit sporatic help at first. I am stil adjusting to my new hours at my new job (7:00 - 4:00 vs "whenever" - "whenever + 9") and I have been very sleepy (not to mention grumpy) lately. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Since this is a CodeProject project, why not make it something directly related to CodeProject? (utilities for better communication between CPians, developer utilities/plugins for directly grabbing content from CodeProject, code/tools to enhance the usability of the site itself (per Chris' approval)). Idea A client program that monitors all new/updated posts, articles, etc. then lets you browse them at your leasure (without depending upon the cookie that gets confused as to whether you actually read something or not). This same program would also have a CodeProject-specific chat client built-in. It could also use a sophisticated article submission handler to ensure good formatting, and prevent some of the potential problems where web browsers lose data in the event of an error. Etc. John
John Fisher wrote: A client program that monitors all new/updated posts, articles, etc. then lets you browse them at your leasure (without depending upon the cookie that gets confused as to whether you actually read something or not). Well, there's the new RSS feed plus some existing (OK, using cookies I guess), message monitors. John Fisher wrote: This same program would also have a CodeProject-specific chat client built-in. On the humorous side, I already spend too much time reading the messages and replying to them. I'd NEVER get anything done with a live chat system. Plus I guess a lot of people already use existing chat technologies. John Fisher wrote: It could also use a sophisticated article submission handler to ensure good formatting I typically write everything in FrontPage and do the final touch up in the editor that CP already has, which is really cool. That way, I don't mind if the browser crashes. Hope you don't mind the feedback--it would be interesting to further develop these ideas so we're not duplicating existing work. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
What about a defect-tracker that have both a web-frontend and a winforms frontend. Or........ With all that talk about source-version-systems (SourceSafe vs. CVS) what about writing one, that is easy to use, easy integration into VS... Basically SourceSafe without the bugs in that product... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
I don't know about YOUR software, but MY software doesn't have defects! Just kidding. I was perusing the web a few months ago and found some online defect tracking software, some of it was free, some of it had a trial period, etc. Some of them looked pretty cool. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
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Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
It's probably been done a bunch of different ways, but to develop on Paul's idea, I'd say we need to bootstrap ourselves. A nifty little task manager would be seem to be the first thing, then the other stuff Paul mentioned. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
Let's make an effort to take those wonderful ideas and tutorials posted on CodeProject and make Universal Gui LibrarY (UGLY) :-D. Take those owner-drawn buttons and transparent labels and custom scroll-bars and sliders and make a whole suite of tools for windows programming. We would want to provide: Consistent interface across controls (function calls, data types, iterators) Maximum flexibility (skinning, derivable classes) Maximum efficiency (speedy, powerful, easy to use) Cross platform availability (.NET, MFC, Win32) please add more.
I must say, I'm not thrilled with this idea. It's been done wrong too many times, by focusing on the eye-candy appeal. I'd rather not have yet another ugly class library. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
empty message rely to this if you have an idea
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
I don't have any particularly concrete ideas on this, but I'm really frustrated how multi-threading hasn't taken off (at least, it seems that way to me!), especially regarding multiprocessors or distributed computing. There must be trillions to the trillionth idle cycles spent by computers. And yes, there's some commercial stuff out there that can distribute processing over the Internet, but the last time I checked, it was bloody expensive. So that's the idea, I guess--an Internet distributed computing engine to consume all those idle cycles. I haven't checked to see if there's already a freeware/shareware of this (probably there is, but I didn't find anything a year ago when I was looking). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
I don't have any particularly concrete ideas on this, but I'm really frustrated how multi-threading hasn't taken off (at least, it seems that way to me!), especially regarding multiprocessors or distributed computing. There must be trillions to the trillionth idle cycles spent by computers. And yes, there's some commercial stuff out there that can distribute processing over the Internet, but the last time I checked, it was bloody expensive. So that's the idea, I guess--an Internet distributed computing engine to consume all those idle cycles. I haven't checked to see if there's already a freeware/shareware of this (probably there is, but I didn't find anything a year ago when I was looking). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"It is a great idea. I want to do this. With the ability for the distributed process to yield to native (local user) processes, so that it does not actually create problems for the willing donors of CPU cycles, this would be a tremendous system. What we propose is a task scheduler that can que jobs across multiple job queues running on multiple machines. The central dispatcher is capable of monitor progress and identify abnormal termination of tasks (caused by the remote machine having a power failure, app crash etc) and dispatch it to another job queue. An application using this can create stand alone jobs that is dispatched using the scheduler. The job itself contains the complete context required for its progress. The job also can implement progress status updates to the local job queue, that can be send back to the scheduler, so that it can take some scheduling decisions. In short, a parallel processing system that can scale to any number of machines, but controlled from a cental location. Amazing! Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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I don't have any particularly concrete ideas on this, but I'm really frustrated how multi-threading hasn't taken off (at least, it seems that way to me!), especially regarding multiprocessors or distributed computing. There must be trillions to the trillionth idle cycles spent by computers. And yes, there's some commercial stuff out there that can distribute processing over the Internet, but the last time I checked, it was bloody expensive. So that's the idea, I guess--an Internet distributed computing engine to consume all those idle cycles. I haven't checked to see if there's already a freeware/shareware of this (probably there is, but I didn't find anything a year ago when I was looking). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"I want to do this so bad that I don't care if it is an accepted group project, and people vote for it. Marc, let's go!!! My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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I don't have any particularly concrete ideas on this, but I'm really frustrated how multi-threading hasn't taken off (at least, it seems that way to me!), especially regarding multiprocessors or distributed computing. There must be trillions to the trillionth idle cycles spent by computers. And yes, there's some commercial stuff out there that can distribute processing over the Internet, but the last time I checked, it was bloody expensive. So that's the idea, I guess--an Internet distributed computing engine to consume all those idle cycles. I haven't checked to see if there's already a freeware/shareware of this (probably there is, but I didn't find anything a year ago when I was looking). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Really, I like it so much that I will put together some thoughts that I have on this and send it to you. Let us go over this and then decide. In the meantime, if you have thought of anything about how this would work, let me know. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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I must say, I'm not thrilled with this idea. It's been done wrong too many times, by focusing on the eye-candy appeal. I'd rather not have yet another ugly class library. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
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Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
- There's a number of ideas that I like AND I'd work on, but there are also some ideas that I'd like but WOULDN'T work on - because I don't have the tools, or I don't have the know-how, or whatever. (I suspect, but can't be sure, that this is one of the main reasons why some things have a few really high votes, but not very many people have voted on them.) I'd like to see (maybe later on, as the current system does not lend itself to this) a seperate vote for "good idea" and "I'd pitch in for this one". 2) I'd really like to see how many people would help with a given project. This is crucial, because without helpers, a project is doomed. The voting reflects this somewhat, but if, say, Project#1 has 10 enthusiastic proponents, and 5 people who vote 1 on it, and Project#2 has 3 enthusiastic proponents and lots of "well, maybe"'s, Project#2 will rise above Project#1,even though it's likely to be doomed to failure.
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What I like best are the addin/codon stuff, and the XML property persistance. What I don't like is: :rose: they still don't have a unified user message system. :rose: they don't have a good menu/toolbar system - I have an idea which would only use commands, which could be on menus or toolbars, and would allow user customization of menus/toolbars.
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"An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind." - Mahatma Gandhijdunlap wrote: I have an idea which would only use commands, which could be on menus or toolbars, and would allow user customization of menus/toolbars. In ED (see sig) I have a unified system for handling commands which doesn't care where the commands originate (menu,toolbar,kbd,macro,mouse click) but has the information on the source, should someone down the track need it. Also entire sequences of commands can be tied to a menu item, toolbar button, key sequence etc. along with parameters for each command as required. This has proven to work very well for me and my users. For messaging I find signals and slots are "the way" to go. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. Free Trial at www.getsoft.com
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jdunlap wrote: I have an idea which would only use commands, which could be on menus or toolbars, and would allow user customization of menus/toolbars. In ED (see sig) I have a unified system for handling commands which doesn't care where the commands originate (menu,toolbar,kbd,macro,mouse click) but has the information on the source, should someone down the track need it. Also entire sequences of commands can be tied to a menu item, toolbar button, key sequence etc. along with parameters for each command as required. This has proven to work very well for me and my users. For messaging I find signals and slots are "the way" to go. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. Free Trial at www.getsoft.com
Neville Franks wrote: In ED (see sig) I have a unified system for handling commands which doesn't care where the commands originate (menu,toolbar,kbd,macro,mouse click) but has the information on the source, should someone down the track need it. Thanks for mentioning it. I'll look into it. Neville Franks wrote: along with parameters for each command as required That's where SharpDevelop really doesn't make it. For instance, what if you wanted to have there be a menu item builder that builds a recent list containing a number of menu items for recent files, with the command "App.OpenFile", and the name of the file as a parameter? You can't do this very well in SharpDevelop, but it's very important that you have that capability. Neville Franks wrote: As far as messaging I find signals and slots are the way to go I was talking mainly about messages to the user, and logging/debug messages.
I'll take this opportunity to say something that's on my mind: I think that a good solid application framework is one of the biggest keys to the success of failure of a piece of software. If you don't bother to make a good framework, then it's as good as if you tried to build a house on top of a landslide-prone hill. You're going to have problems all the way, and sooner or later, it's going to get to where you have to ditch it and start over. This project could help thousands of people make much better applications. It would reduce the headaches of maintaining ever-larger apps, and we would finally get the full benefits of component-based development.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." - Jesus
"An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind." - Mahatma Gandhi