Little bit surprised !!!
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den2k88 wrote:
How does thei treatment of your data pertain to their ability to offer their service?
It is part of the rules for re-opening coming from above... They have to get the data to help in possible tracking of infection chains. Not really their fault / will.
den2k88 wrote:
Have they given you the GDPR informative? Did you sign the GDPR agreement for your data treatment with a clearly stated controller or processor, finality of use of data and lenght of time data are stored? Do they have in place adequate measures to restrict the access of data from not authorized people?
Of course not.
den2k88 wrote:
They are violating the hell out of the GDPR.
Yes, because they are doing it the comfortable way. Instead of thinking a bit.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
It is part of the rules for re-opening coming from above...
So they don't need an explicit signature for data treatment (health and public health are exempt) but all the other points stand and could spell bankruptcy for any activity like that. Especially at the hands of competitors.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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As a New normal, right now in Germany, when you dine in, you need to give your name, address and Phone number in the restaurants. I visited couple during weekends and yesterday and mostly they have ask Customers to fill in themselves in a log sheet. With so much noise about privacy issue , It was surprising that all personal details are available for all other customers to see!!! I just saw my colleague visited the same restaurant 2 hours ago. Here Privacy is not an issue because 1. Its not being tracked by govt all the time ? 2. Its not because we chose to dine in and so we give consent implicitly.
cheers,
Super
------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
data collected like this can be prone to misuse... next thing you know it might turn into a who to burgle next list...
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Nelek wrote:
It is part of the rules for re-opening coming from above...
So they don't need an explicit signature for data treatment (health and public health are exempt) but all the other points stand and could spell bankruptcy for any activity like that. Especially at the hands of competitors.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
den2k88 wrote:
but all the other points stand and could spell bankruptcy for any activity like that. Especially at the hands of competitors.
Yes, you are right.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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As a New normal, right now in Germany, when you dine in, you need to give your name, address and Phone number in the restaurants. I visited couple during weekends and yesterday and mostly they have ask Customers to fill in themselves in a log sheet. With so much noise about privacy issue , It was surprising that all personal details are available for all other customers to see!!! I just saw my colleague visited the same restaurant 2 hours ago. Here Privacy is not an issue because 1. Its not being tracked by govt all the time ? 2. Its not because we chose to dine in and so we give consent implicitly.
cheers,
Super
------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
If a restaurant had that out for me to see I'd take a picture of it and send it to the GDPR enforcement folks. GDPR makes no distinction between paper and electronic data storage and that's a flat out violation of GDPR. Then I'd put in bogus information and walk out.
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As a New normal, right now in Germany, when you dine in, you need to give your name, address and Phone number in the restaurants. I visited couple during weekends and yesterday and mostly they have ask Customers to fill in themselves in a log sheet. With so much noise about privacy issue , It was surprising that all personal details are available for all other customers to see!!! I just saw my colleague visited the same restaurant 2 hours ago. Here Privacy is not an issue because 1. Its not being tracked by govt all the time ? 2. Its not because we chose to dine in and so we give consent implicitly.
cheers,
Super
------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
Since cash is virtually dead in many places now (and likely to be killed off where it's already on life-support) surely a simpler "tracing" method that requires absolutely no additional data capture and already complies (in theory) with GDPR is for the tracing authorities to be able to trace via card payments?? The card issuer has the cardholder's name and billing address, transactions are time-stamped and available certainly for the timescales in question. True, in a multi-family party it may not track the non bill-payer, but for the purposes of contact tracing it should be possible for the traced person so share the info with the rest of their party. In fact it's better than a "signing-in" sheet because it will be associated with a table number, so that the location of the visitor within the establishment is known and one infected visitor need not result in the whole restaurant's clientele being quarantined.
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Got a link to the story? (Doesn't matter if it's in Norwegian)
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There are quite a few ... Avslørt av mobilen[^] - one of the first stories, with this guy that they traced and made contact with to "tell his story". Norske offiserer og soldater avslørt av mobilen[^] - about the military guys that were traced into the Rena military installation. Mobilsporing: 8300 mobiler sporet på sykehus og krisesentre[^] - tracing phones in hospital and violence shelters. Hofstad Helleland om mobilsporings-avsløringen: – Dypt urovekkende[^] - politicians' reactions to the disclosures. Datatilsynet opnar gransking etter NRK-avsløring[^] - The Norwegian Data Protection Authority reactions to the disclosures, and their (so far unsuccessful) attempts to get in contact with the company selling the data. Venstre-leder skremt: – Vi er ikke i stand til å sikre våre egne[^] - another politician's reactions to the revelations. Britisk datatilsyn starter undersøkelser etter NRK-avsløring[
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This is definitely a concern I have about our new contact tracing in the UK, what's to stop this information from being sold on then used to target individuals for future advertising, or just sharing this information and the consequence of sharing such private medical data?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
I have to laugh at this, Oz has an app from Singapore purportedly to trace infections blooms. We go to walk the dog at the beach, down to the dog park and to the shopping centre, and we leave the bloody phones at home!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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There are quite a few ... Avslørt av mobilen[^] - one of the first stories, with this guy that they traced and made contact with to "tell his story". Norske offiserer og soldater avslørt av mobilen[^] - about the military guys that were traced into the Rena military installation. Mobilsporing: 8300 mobiler sporet på sykehus og krisesentre[^] - tracing phones in hospital and violence shelters. Hofstad Helleland om mobilsporings-avsløringen: – Dypt urovekkende[^] - politicians' reactions to the disclosures. Datatilsynet opnar gransking etter NRK-avsløring[^] - The Norwegian Data Protection Authority reactions to the disclosures, and their (so far unsuccessful) attempts to get in contact with the company selling the data. Venstre-leder skremt: – Vi er ikke i stand til å sikre våre egne[^] - another politician's reactions to the revelations. Britisk datatilsyn starter undersøkelser etter NRK-avsløring[
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This is definitely a concern I have about our new contact tracing in the UK, what's to stop this information from being sold on then used to target individuals for future advertising, or just sharing this information and the consequence of sharing such private medical data?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
GuyThiebaut wrote:
the consequence of sharing such private medical data
I have my (strong) doubts that this tracking (especially that based on apps using Bluetooth signal strength to estimate the distance between persons) will contribute much to stop the pandemic. BUT: The information collected, regardless of method used, is your location - nothing more. Is that "private medical data"? The fact that I am present at the office, or at the grocery store, or at a movie theater is not "private", confidential information. I can't keep it secret from those who see me there. So, while I strongly dislike that someone continously logs my whereabouts, it is neither "private" nor "medical" information.
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GuyThiebaut wrote:
the consequence of sharing such private medical data
I have my (strong) doubts that this tracking (especially that based on apps using Bluetooth signal strength to estimate the distance between persons) will contribute much to stop the pandemic. BUT: The information collected, regardless of method used, is your location - nothing more. Is that "private medical data"? The fact that I am present at the office, or at the grocery store, or at a movie theater is not "private", confidential information. I can't keep it secret from those who see me there. So, while I strongly dislike that someone continously logs my whereabouts, it is neither "private" nor "medical" information.
Yes, as soon as the app identifies you as being at risk due to being in the vicinity of someone identified with Covid-19 that becomes medical information about you. Also if data is shared about individuals who have Covid-19 that again becomes medical information being shared. If the information stored is tracking information, then it will be possible to match that data to a set of individuals or a particular individual - as the tracking will continue to the front door of a house and workplace which will be enough information to identify an individual.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
