Elon, leave us kids alone !
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How, precisely, are you going to teach robotics without mathematics, physics, computer science, and many other subjects as prerequisites? The above subjects are necessary even if you do no more than assemble Lego robots (great fun, but I wouldn't want one on an assembly line for cars, for example). Designing and building robots from scratch requires much more. There is an organization with branches in many countries, [First](https://www.firstinspires.org/), which runs robotics programs: 1. FLLjr (First Lego League jr) (primary schools) - basic building of Lego robots, basic challenges 2. FLL (First Lego League) (middle schools) - more advanced building of Lego robots, more advanced challenges 3. FTC (First Tech League) (high schools) - beginning building of robots (not Lego), intermediate-level challenges 4. FRC (First Robotics Competition) (high schools) - advanced building of robots, advanced challenges Each program has local, regional, national and international competitions. The FLL teams that I have mentored reached the national competitions, but failed to reach the international level. :(
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
How, precisely, are you going to teach robotics without mathematics, physics, computer science, and many other subjects as prerequisites?
Exactly my question about the current public education system! ;P
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
How, precisely, are you going to teach robotics without mathematics, physics, computer science, and many other subjects as prerequisites?
Exactly my question about the current public education system! ;P
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
DRHuff wrote:
Exactly my question about the current public education system!
:sigh:
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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"We don't need no education:" [^].
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
Ask them at SpaceX how high Elon is. Among some of us, he's a running joke. And before you mention it, no. Since I don't run even in case of fire.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Ask them at SpaceX how high Elon is. Among some of us, he's a running joke. And before you mention it, no. Since I don't run even in case of fire.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Ask them at SpaceX how high Elon is.
It depends on how good the grass is and how much he smoked :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Ask them at SpaceX how high Elon is.
It depends on how good the grass is and how much he smoked :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
It depends on how good the grass is and how much he smoked :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
I went down to Jamaica[^].. ..but seriously, this won't work for most of the kids, and he's not going to take responsibility for any failures.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Nelek wrote:
It depends on how good the grass is and how much he smoked :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
I went down to Jamaica[^].. ..but seriously, this won't work for most of the kids, and he's not going to take responsibility for any failures.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
but seriously, this won't work for most of the kids, and he's not going to take responsibility for any failures.
I know... that's exactly the reason of both messages of mine in this thread, a bit of joking but saying the same as you.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
At my final German test I fell asleep and somehow scored an 8.8
I knew you had special powers !
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
I still don't know how I pulled it off. It was a listening test, so we listened to a CD and had to fill out the answers. When I woke up I was like six questions behind and just ticked some random boxes :laugh: At least it was multiple choice so I guess lady luck smiled favorably on me that day :D I also remember my oral exam. The teacher asked me something about my Urlaub and I told him I went to a Knochenkirche[^] :D
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Nelek wrote:
It depends on how good the grass is and how much he smoked :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
I went down to Jamaica[^].. ..but seriously, this won't work for most of the kids, and he's not going to take responsibility for any failures.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
.. this won't work for most of the kids, and he's not going to take responsibility for any failures
So.. then.. just like normal public school in the US.
I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Maybe schools should teach at least some practical skills for everyday adult life.
They did: they were all outdated in a year or two. Granted, italian bureaucracy spins faster than a helicopter blade, but still... All the bank and postal forms I learnt to compile no longer exist. Tax forms changed a dozen times in 20 years. Tax legislation changes once or twice a year...
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
"Granted, italian bureaucracy spins faster than a helicopter blade". No, I think JavaScript changes faster.
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I think schools can do better. I'm also opposed to tests with grades. Maybe not entirely, but get this. Over in the Netherlands I spent six years at high school, three of which my grades counted towards my final grade... For 50%... The other 50% is completely based on a single test (for each subject) on a single day! Take English, I don't think anyone here doubts my English skills, and after six years my average was a 9 (out of 10). For some reason I completely blew the final exam and got my average down to a 7! :omg: I had kind of the opposite for math, which I got from a 6 to a 7 though :rolleyes: At my final German test I fell asleep and somehow scored an 8.8 which counted 3x towards my final grade, just got me a passing grade :laugh: It's like the past six years hardly even counted, makes no sense at all. And then, after eight years of primary school, six years of high school and four years of university, I can't even fill out my own tax forms :laugh: Maybe schools should teach at least some practical skills for everyday adult life. And one thing schools could absolutely do better, is show where and when you might need certain skills. English is clear, Dutch is clear-ish (I mean, I already know Dutch, why am I being taught Dutch as a Dutchman!?), but I'm NEVER going to need math, right? :rolleyes: The curriculum isn't going to matter much though, with the current teacher shortage, which is only getting worse, we won't have schools at all in a few years :sigh:
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
"And then, after eight years of primary school, six years of high school and four years of university, I can't even fill out my own tax forms". Don't feel bad. When I was finishing college, there weren't many students who could balance a checkbook. Good thing they weren't in business.
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"We don't need no education:" [^].
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
This is no better than what the current set of politicians are doing. They continually gut the school budget. With this in mind and if Elon has his way, why even have school, other that a convenient baby/child sitting service for the parents. Its too bad, because when the education level is low for the people, the country's people become more dependent on social services than on their own strength. We should strengthen education and put more money into public education to preserve our future. We need more tax paying citizens so that we old geezers can get our social security. We supported our parent's generation, those young ones can support us.
