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    BillWoodruff
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    "We don't need no education:" [^].

    «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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      "We don't need no education:" [^].

      «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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      CodeWraith
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      This would certainly be a paradise for little nerds, but only for them. Add some classes for Star Trek and comics to attract them. The rest gets a diploma in sports, meditational dancing or for participation.

      I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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      • B BillWoodruff

        "We don't need no education:" [^].

        «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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        Is this a 'real' news website? The English is appalling - which is not good for an article about education. And you get the 'Accept Cookies pop-up' every time you go to a page. Even one you've already been to! :(

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          Is this a 'real' news website? The English is appalling - which is not good for an article about education. And you get the 'Accept Cookies pop-up' every time you go to a page. Even one you've already been to! :(

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          CodeWraith
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          5teveH wrote:

          The English is appalling ahead of its time

          Let me fix that for you. Give the telephone hugging idiots a few more years and this will be the new reformed standard. kthx, lol :-D :sigh: :rolleyes: :) :~ :omg:

          I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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            5teveH wrote:

            The English is appalling ahead of its time

            Let me fix that for you. Give the telephone hugging idiots a few more years and this will be the new reformed standard. kthx, lol :-D :sigh: :rolleyes: :) :~ :omg:

            I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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            OriginalGriff
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            You forgot the important one: 💩

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
            "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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              5teveH wrote:

              The English is appalling ahead of its time

              Let me fix that for you. Give the telephone hugging idiots a few more years and this will be the new reformed standard. kthx, lol :-D :sigh: :rolleyes: :) :~ :omg:

              I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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              OriginalGriff
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              sry sry u 4gt 1 💩

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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              • B BillWoodruff

                "We don't need no education:" [^].

                «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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                Daniel Pfeffer
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                How, precisely, are you going to teach robotics without mathematics, physics, computer science, and many other subjects as prerequisites? The above subjects are necessary even if you do no more than assemble Lego robots (great fun, but I wouldn't want one on an assembly line for cars, for example). Designing and building robots from scratch requires much more. There is an organization with branches in many countries, [First](https://www.firstinspires.org/), which runs robotics programs: 1. FLLjr (First Lego League jr) (primary schools) - basic building of Lego robots, basic challenges 2. FLL (First Lego League) (middle schools) - more advanced building of Lego robots, more advanced challenges 3. FTC (First Tech League) (high schools) - beginning building of robots (not Lego), intermediate-level challenges 4. FRC (First Robotics Competition) (high schools) - advanced building of robots, advanced challenges Each program has local, regional, national and international competitions. The FLL teams that I have mentored reached the national competitions, but failed to reach the international level. :(

                Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                • B BillWoodruff

                  "We don't need no education:" [^].

                  «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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                  Nelek
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                  Is he going to hire all the people that "graduates" in his school? :rolleyes:

                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                  • B BillWoodruff

                    "We don't need no education:" [^].

                    «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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                    I think schools can do better. I'm also opposed to tests with grades. Maybe not entirely, but get this. Over in the Netherlands I spent six years at high school, three of which my grades counted towards my final grade... For 50%... The other 50% is completely based on a single test (for each subject) on a single day! Take English, I don't think anyone here doubts my English skills, and after six years my average was a 9 (out of 10). For some reason I completely blew the final exam and got my average down to a 7! :omg: I had kind of the opposite for math, which I got from a 6 to a 7 though :rolleyes: At my final German test I fell asleep and somehow scored an 8.8 which counted 3x towards my final grade, just got me a passing grade :laugh: It's like the past six years hardly even counted, makes no sense at all. And then, after eight years of primary school, six years of high school and four years of university, I can't even fill out my own tax forms :laugh: Maybe schools should teach at least some practical skills for everyday adult life. And one thing schools could absolutely do better, is show where and when you might need certain skills. English is clear, Dutch is clear-ish (I mean, I already know Dutch, why am I being taught Dutch as a Dutchman!?), but I'm NEVER going to need math, right? :rolleyes: The curriculum isn't going to matter much though, with the current teacher shortage, which is only getting worse, we won't have schools at all in a few years :sigh:

                    Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                      5teveH wrote:

                      The English is appalling ahead of its time

                      Let me fix that for you. Give the telephone hugging idiots a few more years and this will be the new reformed standard. kthx, lol :-D :sigh: :rolleyes: :) :~ :omg:

                      I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                      CodeWraith wrote:

                      the telephone hugging fondling idiots

                      FIFY - Hugging was before they became "better acquainted".

                      Ravings en masse^

                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                        CodeWraith wrote:

                        the telephone hugging fondling idiots

                        FIFY - Hugging was before they became "better acquainted".

                        Ravings en masse^

                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                        OriginalGriff
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                        Can we introduce them to social distancing from their phones?

                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                          I think schools can do better. I'm also opposed to tests with grades. Maybe not entirely, but get this. Over in the Netherlands I spent six years at high school, three of which my grades counted towards my final grade... For 50%... The other 50% is completely based on a single test (for each subject) on a single day! Take English, I don't think anyone here doubts my English skills, and after six years my average was a 9 (out of 10). For some reason I completely blew the final exam and got my average down to a 7! :omg: I had kind of the opposite for math, which I got from a 6 to a 7 though :rolleyes: At my final German test I fell asleep and somehow scored an 8.8 which counted 3x towards my final grade, just got me a passing grade :laugh: It's like the past six years hardly even counted, makes no sense at all. And then, after eight years of primary school, six years of high school and four years of university, I can't even fill out my own tax forms :laugh: Maybe schools should teach at least some practical skills for everyday adult life. And one thing schools could absolutely do better, is show where and when you might need certain skills. English is clear, Dutch is clear-ish (I mean, I already know Dutch, why am I being taught Dutch as a Dutchman!?), but I'm NEVER going to need math, right? :rolleyes: The curriculum isn't going to matter much though, with the current teacher shortage, which is only getting worse, we won't have schools at all in a few years :sigh:

                          Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                          BillWoodruff
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                          Upvoted ...

                          Sander Rossel wrote:

                          At my final German test I fell asleep and somehow scored an 8.8

                          I knew you had special powers !

                          «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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                            5teveH wrote:

                            The English is appalling ahead of its time

                            Let me fix that for you. Give the telephone hugging idiots a few more years and this will be the new reformed standard. kthx, lol :-D :sigh: :rolleyes: :) :~ :omg:

                            I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                            Tell you what, the most abbreviations I saw were in real time coop shooters online and in ye olde days of SMS with 160 characters. Today with whatsapp and vocal messages the trend declined substantially, at least in Italian.

                            GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                              I think schools can do better. I'm also opposed to tests with grades. Maybe not entirely, but get this. Over in the Netherlands I spent six years at high school, three of which my grades counted towards my final grade... For 50%... The other 50% is completely based on a single test (for each subject) on a single day! Take English, I don't think anyone here doubts my English skills, and after six years my average was a 9 (out of 10). For some reason I completely blew the final exam and got my average down to a 7! :omg: I had kind of the opposite for math, which I got from a 6 to a 7 though :rolleyes: At my final German test I fell asleep and somehow scored an 8.8 which counted 3x towards my final grade, just got me a passing grade :laugh: It's like the past six years hardly even counted, makes no sense at all. And then, after eight years of primary school, six years of high school and four years of university, I can't even fill out my own tax forms :laugh: Maybe schools should teach at least some practical skills for everyday adult life. And one thing schools could absolutely do better, is show where and when you might need certain skills. English is clear, Dutch is clear-ish (I mean, I already know Dutch, why am I being taught Dutch as a Dutchman!?), but I'm NEVER going to need math, right? :rolleyes: The curriculum isn't going to matter much though, with the current teacher shortage, which is only getting worse, we won't have schools at all in a few years :sigh:

                              Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                              Sander Rossel wrote:

                              Maybe schools should teach at least some practical skills for everyday adult life.

                              They did: they were all outdated in a year or two. Granted, italian bureaucracy spins faster than a helicopter blade, but still... All the bank and postal forms I learnt to compile no longer exist. Tax forms changed a dozen times in 20 years. Tax legislation changes once or twice a year...

                              GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                Is he going to hire all the people that "graduates" in his school? :rolleyes:

                                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                dandy72
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                                Exactly what I was going to post. Let him be the first to hire some of these "graduates" for Tesla and SpaceX, and see where they end up in a few years.

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                                  Sander Rossel wrote:

                                  Maybe schools should teach at least some practical skills for everyday adult life.

                                  They did: they were all outdated in a year or two. Granted, italian bureaucracy spins faster than a helicopter blade, but still... All the bank and postal forms I learnt to compile no longer exist. Tax forms changed a dozen times in 20 years. Tax legislation changes once or twice a year...

                                  GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                  Daniel Pfeffer
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                                  den2k88 wrote:

                                  Tax forms changed a dozen times in 20 years.

                                  :wtf: In Israel, the basic tax form (for employees who have no other income, and only limited types of investments) hasn't changed much in all the time I've been employed (~40 years). Granted, the full form (for self-employed and/or those who have significant investments) has undergone major changes. However, most of the people who are required to fill it out already have an accountant who'll do it for them.

                                  Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                    How, precisely, are you going to teach robotics without mathematics, physics, computer science, and many other subjects as prerequisites? The above subjects are necessary even if you do no more than assemble Lego robots (great fun, but I wouldn't want one on an assembly line for cars, for example). Designing and building robots from scratch requires much more. There is an organization with branches in many countries, [First](https://www.firstinspires.org/), which runs robotics programs: 1. FLLjr (First Lego League jr) (primary schools) - basic building of Lego robots, basic challenges 2. FLL (First Lego League) (middle schools) - more advanced building of Lego robots, more advanced challenges 3. FTC (First Tech League) (high schools) - beginning building of robots (not Lego), intermediate-level challenges 4. FRC (First Robotics Competition) (high schools) - advanced building of robots, advanced challenges Each program has local, regional, national and international competitions. The FLL teams that I have mentored reached the national competitions, but failed to reach the international level. :(

                                    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                    DRHuff
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                                    Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                                    How, precisely, are you going to teach robotics without mathematics, physics, computer science, and many other subjects as prerequisites?

                                    Exactly my question about the current public education system! ;P

                                    If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.

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                                      Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                                      How, precisely, are you going to teach robotics without mathematics, physics, computer science, and many other subjects as prerequisites?

                                      Exactly my question about the current public education system! ;P

                                      If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.

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                                      Daniel Pfeffer
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                                      DRHuff wrote:

                                      Exactly my question about the current public education system!

                                      :sigh:

                                      Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                      • B BillWoodruff

                                        "We don't need no education:" [^].

                                        «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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                                        Ask them at SpaceX how high Elon is. Among some of us, he's a running joke. And before you mention it, no. Since I don't run even in case of fire.

                                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                          Ask them at SpaceX how high Elon is. Among some of us, he's a running joke. And before you mention it, no. Since I don't run even in case of fire.

                                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                          Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                          Ask them at SpaceX how high Elon is.

                                          It depends on how good the grass is and how much he smoked :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:

                                          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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