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  • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

    I would hate to think that my code would wind up in a weapon somewhere. Fortunately that's not likely.

    Real programmers use butterflies

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    Sander Rossel
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    Not even your if-statements of mass destruction? ;p

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    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

      Not even your if-statements of mass destruction? ;p

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      honey the codewitch
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      Those if statements are designed to test your mettle, not to blow up children. :sigh:

      Real programmers use butterflies

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      • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

        Those if statements are designed to test your mettle, not to blow up children. :sigh:

        Real programmers use butterflies

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        honey the codewitch wrote:

        not to blow up children in your face

        FTFY :thumbsup: Consider my mettle tested :laugh:

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        • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

          Those if statements are designed to test your mettle, not to blow up children. :sigh:

          Real programmers use butterflies

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          OriginalGriff
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          #11

          Hey, they are multifunctional! :-D

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          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            honey the codewitch wrote:

            not to blow up children in your face

            FTFY :thumbsup: Consider my mettle tested :laugh:

            Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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            honey the codewitch
            wrote on last edited by
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            I can't even recall a time I've ever run into the problem {} is supposed to solve w/ if statements. Maybe it's you? :laugh:

            Real programmers use butterflies

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Hey, they are multifunctional! :-D

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              honey the codewitch
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              Warning: This code comes with side effects.

              Real programmers use butterflies

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              • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

                I can't even recall a time I've ever run into the problem {} is supposed to solve w/ if statements. Maybe it's you? :laugh:

                Real programmers use butterflies

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                OriginalGriff
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                #14

                I have ... back in the days before editors auto-indented for you. And it was a sod to track down, because I tend to read what I meant to write, rather than what I actually did. :sigh:

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  I have ... back in the days before editors auto-indented for you. And it was a sod to track down, because I tend to read what I meant to write, rather than what I actually did. :sigh:

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  honey the codewitch
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                  #15

                  I'm still using editors that don't. I guess I'm just wired such that it doesn't trip me up. I always read the next line of non-comment code after an if as conditional. That's just how I work, for better or worse.

                  if(flag.test_and_set());

                  would screw me up but nobody would do that on purpose. Not even me.

                  Real programmers use butterflies

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                  • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

                    I'm still using editors that don't. I guess I'm just wired such that it doesn't trip me up. I always read the next line of non-comment code after an if as conditional. That's just how I work, for better or worse.

                    if(flag.test_and_set());

                    would screw me up but nobody would do that on purpose. Not even me.

                    Real programmers use butterflies

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                    OriginalGriff
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                    #16

                    The problem comes when you get this:

                    if (a == b)
                    c();
                    d();

                    Or you try to add debugging lines to find out what is happening:

                    if (a == b)
                    printf("a equals b\n");
                    c();
                    d();

                    And you start scratching your head to work out why adding debug code changes the results ... :laugh: That's why I always use curly brackets:

                    if (a == b)
                    {
                    c();
                    d();
                    }

                    Even I can't muck it up then! :-D Hopefully. :sigh:

                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      The problem comes when you get this:

                      if (a == b)
                      c();
                      d();

                      Or you try to add debugging lines to find out what is happening:

                      if (a == b)
                      printf("a equals b\n");
                      c();
                      d();

                      And you start scratching your head to work out why adding debug code changes the results ... :laugh: That's why I always use curly brackets:

                      if (a == b)
                      {
                      c();
                      d();
                      }

                      Even I can't muck it up then! :-D Hopefully. :sigh:

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                      honey the codewitch
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #17

                      I mean, I get it but even skimming really fast I saw that c() and d() always get called. It's probably just me.

                      Real programmers use butterflies

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        The problem comes when you get this:

                        if (a == b)
                        c();
                        d();

                        Or you try to add debugging lines to find out what is happening:

                        if (a == b)
                        printf("a equals b\n");
                        c();
                        d();

                        And you start scratching your head to work out why adding debug code changes the results ... :laugh: That's why I always use curly brackets:

                        if (a == b)
                        {
                        c();
                        d();
                        }

                        Even I can't muck it up then! :-D Hopefully. :sigh:

                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                        I make this clear by writing

                        if(a == b) c();

                        I don't see the need for the line break (or a space after control keywords like if, he says, donning his asbestos suit). But if it won't fit in my self-imposed 80 columns, or if I want a line break for debugging purposes, I add braces:

                        if(a == b)
                        {
                        c();
                        }

                        Unless, of course, there's an else clause, which also makes things clear:

                        if(a == b)
                        c();
                        else
                        d();

                        But if either the "then" part or else part needs braces for multiple statements, the other one also gets them. Aren't you glad you brought this up?!

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                        • D Daniel Pfeffer

                          [Iran scientist 'killed by remote-controlled weapon' - BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55128970) Internet of Termination?

                          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                          The Other John Ingram
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                          in the 1997 remake the Jackel, the assassin uses a remote controlled machine gun housed in a van. sound familiar

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                          • D Daniel Pfeffer

                            [Iran scientist 'killed by remote-controlled weapon' - BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55128970) Internet of Termination?

                            Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                            That's a seriously irritating article. I feel like they are talking to 5 yo's. fwiw, I know I've read where in Syria, one side was using cheap drones to drop C4 on soldiers. It's amazing we haven't had a swarm attack somewhere. And there is another story where some Australian decided to try and build a cruise missile with nothing but off the shelf components. I think he got it to significant range, GPS navigation, and could carry a "payload" of something like 100 Kg. Yeah, genie is out of the bottle.

                            Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

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                              That's a seriously irritating article. I feel like they are talking to 5 yo's. fwiw, I know I've read where in Syria, one side was using cheap drones to drop C4 on soldiers. It's amazing we haven't had a swarm attack somewhere. And there is another story where some Australian decided to try and build a cruise missile with nothing but off the shelf components. I think he got it to significant range, GPS navigation, and could carry a "payload" of something like 100 Kg. Yeah, genie is out of the bottle.

                              Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

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                              trønderen
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                              charlieg wrote:

                              That's a seriously irritating article. I feel like they are talking to 5 yo's.

                              Gee ... The 5 yo's you are talking to are quite different from those I meet!

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                                That's a seriously irritating article. I feel like they are talking to 5 yo's. fwiw, I know I've read where in Syria, one side was using cheap drones to drop C4 on soldiers. It's amazing we haven't had a swarm attack somewhere. And there is another story where some Australian decided to try and build a cruise missile with nothing but off the shelf components. I think he got it to significant range, GPS navigation, and could carry a "payload" of something like 100 Kg. Yeah, genie is out of the bottle.

                                Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

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                                Daniel Pfeffer
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                                The hardware has obviously existed for a few decades, at least. I remember a regular column in Byte back in the '80s, Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar, in which Steve Ciarcia built all manner of interesting gadgets, publishing the circuit diagrams. Building something like a remote-controlled machine gun would have been simple for him.

                                Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                  charlieg wrote:

                                  That's a seriously irritating article. I feel like they are talking to 5 yo's.

                                  Gee ... The 5 yo's you are talking to are quite different from those I meet!

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                                  charlieg
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                                  My point is that there is zero information in it. It's like they are having a conversation with themselves.

                                  Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

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