Mobile app ads
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Unfortunately as app users today, ads are everywhere (and they are about as annoying as trying to understand the person on the other end of a support call). Some are full screen, some are banners. Some can be dismissed, while others can't. Why are the same ads not littering our desktops? Is there a rule against it, or have the developers just not gotten around to it yet?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Unfortunately as app users today, ads are everywhere (and they are about as annoying as trying to understand the person on the other end of a support call). Some are full screen, some are banners. Some can be dismissed, while others can't. Why are the same ads not littering our desktops? Is there a rule against it, or have the developers just not gotten around to it yet?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
David Crow wrote:
Why are the same ads not littering our desktops?
There are a number of reasons:* Respect for users of desktops as computers
- Ad-blockers available - I guess I don't know what I'm missing !
- App's are for losers - you were just asking for it
- (fill in as many more as you wish - there may be an app for that)
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Unfortunately as app users today, ads are everywhere (and they are about as annoying as trying to understand the person on the other end of a support call). Some are full screen, some are banners. Some can be dismissed, while others can't. Why are the same ads not littering our desktops? Is there a rule against it, or have the developers just not gotten around to it yet?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
You mean in Office 2003?
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Unfortunately as app users today, ads are everywhere (and they are about as annoying as trying to understand the person on the other end of a support call). Some are full screen, some are banners. Some can be dismissed, while others can't. Why are the same ads not littering our desktops? Is there a rule against it, or have the developers just not gotten around to it yet?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
I guess because most (decent) desktop apps are "pay up front" instead of "add supported" - and generally they are significantly more expensive than mobile apps. If you are writing a mobile app for money, you probably won't sell many copies at a premium price, (or indeed at any price) so "in app purchases" (i.e. the "pay to win" / loot boxes models) or "ad supported" is the way to go. From a personal POV, I have a few mobile apps (and VR apps) I use regularly, and I paid for the "no ads" version after using each of them for a while. I've also uninstalled quite a few apps because the ads were far too intrusive - some developers are just plain greedy! (When you install a game, and you get 5 seconds of game play followed by 30 seconds of ad the developer can go :elephant: himself - I'm uninstalling).
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Unfortunately as app users today, ads are everywhere (and they are about as annoying as trying to understand the person on the other end of a support call). Some are full screen, some are banners. Some can be dismissed, while others can't. Why are the same ads not littering our desktops? Is there a rule against it, or have the developers just not gotten around to it yet?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
David Crow wrote:
Why are the same ads not littering our desktops?
There is a huge push to get DNS moved into HTTPS and that's when you can expect to see unblockable advertisements. App developers will be able to simply drop the Chromium Embedded Framework DLL into their project and circumvent DNS filtering. Guess what happens when you allow advertisement and content delivery corporations to design the internet protocols?
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David Crow wrote:
Why are the same ads not littering our desktops?
There is a huge push to get DNS moved into HTTPS and that's when you can expect to see unblockable advertisements. App developers will be able to simply drop the Chromium Embedded Framework DLL into their project and circumvent DNS filtering. Guess what happens when you allow advertisement and content delivery corporations to design the internet protocols?
My comment to The Insider News[^] goes more or less in the same wave as yours...
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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David Crow wrote:
Why are the same ads not littering our desktops?
There are a number of reasons:* Respect for users of desktops as computers
- Ad-blockers available - I guess I don't know what I'm missing !
- App's are for losers - you were just asking for it
- (fill in as many more as you wish - there may be an app for that)
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
How evil! I did not think you had it in you!
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
App's are for losers - you were just asking for it
You mean losers who can only communicate in grunts and one syllable words? The only time you ever will hear 'app' from me is when you punch me in the right spot. And survive the response. :-) I think the whole thing is not much of a problem. You don't get to see much of the ads because of the fossilized smear on the phone's screen. No ad blocking until you have smeared your phone enough. And Jurassic Park has another source of DNA in the future. By digging up someone's phone. :-)
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My comment to The Insider News[^] goes more or less in the same wave as yours...
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
It's a clever strategy... - Move DNS into HTTPS - Move HTTPS into stateless QUIC[^] Smart TV and other 'smart' devices will simply move all their DNS into DOH[^] and users will be unable to filter out advertisements. At that point the only way to filter out advertisements would be setup NULL routes[^] for advertisement networks.
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Unfortunately as app users today, ads are everywhere (and they are about as annoying as trying to understand the person on the other end of a support call). Some are full screen, some are banners. Some can be dismissed, while others can't. Why are the same ads not littering our desktops? Is there a rule against it, or have the developers just not gotten around to it yet?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
David Crow wrote:
Why are the same ads not littering our desktops?
Where are you getting your Windows 10 ISOs from? Even the "clean" ones from MSDN fill your start menu with items like Candy Crush, Minecraft, some crapware from Adobe if I'm not mistaken (I've never clicked on it, except for right-clicking to remove the tile), Office, Skype, OneDrive, etc. Out of the box. Clean OS. Not even connected to the internet. Then the OEM OS images are even worse with third-party anti-virus and trialware. Maybe not the "same" ads, but those certainly count, in my book, as "unwanted crap that only exists to get money from you"...which is pretty much my definition of an ad.
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Unfortunately as app users today, ads are everywhere (and they are about as annoying as trying to understand the person on the other end of a support call). Some are full screen, some are banners. Some can be dismissed, while others can't. Why are the same ads not littering our desktops? Is there a rule against it, or have the developers just not gotten around to it yet?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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It's a clever strategy... - Move DNS into HTTPS - Move HTTPS into stateless QUIC[^] Smart TV and other 'smart' devices will simply move all their DNS into DOH[^] and users will be unable to filter out advertisements. At that point the only way to filter out advertisements would be setup NULL routes[^] for advertisement networks.
So, then, is the blame on the app developers for adding ad-related code to their product, or the end user for clicking on the ads? I'm probably wrong, but I've always thought that ads don't generate any revenue unless they are clicked on. If enough of them were flat out ignored, would they then just go away?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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So, then, is the blame on the app developers for adding ad-related code to their product, or the end user for clicking on the ads? I'm probably wrong, but I've always thought that ads don't generate any revenue unless they are clicked on. If enough of them were flat out ignored, would they then just go away?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
Well,
David Crow wrote:
blame on the app developers for adding ad-related code to their product
Not at all, they are just trying to make an honest living. But let's not pretend that advertisements are the only possible source of revenue for app developers. I would gladly pay $20 for an ad-free experience. I am not an anti-capitalist... but there are several smart TVs out there right now that pop-up adverts in the middle of watching TV... and the consumer is already paying the cable company. History has repeatedly shown that if you build a framework without any barriers at all... combined with an economic incentive... the developers will take advantage of the situation.
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David Crow wrote:
Why are the same ads not littering our desktops?
Where are you getting your Windows 10 ISOs from? Even the "clean" ones from MSDN fill your start menu with items like Candy Crush, Minecraft, some crapware from Adobe if I'm not mistaken (I've never clicked on it, except for right-clicking to remove the tile), Office, Skype, OneDrive, etc. Out of the box. Clean OS. Not even connected to the internet. Then the OEM OS images are even worse with third-party anti-virus and trialware. Maybe not the "same" ads, but those certainly count, in my book, as "unwanted crap that only exists to get money from you"...which is pretty much my definition of an ad.
When I got my laptop, I didn't even turn it on before inserting an Ubuntu boot DVD. I assume Windows 10 came pre-installed, but I'll never know. I run linux on all 14 of my laptops/desktops, and for dev I run a Win7 vm. Only three years to retirement, and then I can delete the VMs.
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