Save me from C programmers who think they know C++
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The good C programmers would already have mimicked some C++ capabilities the hard way and would immediately start doing a decent job. The others should just be given bass boats.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Greg Utas wrote:
bass boats concrete boots
FTFY
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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end rant :doh: only 7k lines of undocumented code with temp*this and temp*that. sigh
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Honestly I think it's better to learn C++ without learning C first, otherwise Cisms leak into your code, and I say that as someone that learned C first.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Greg Utas wrote:
bass boats concrete boots
FTFY
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
CodeWraith wrote:
Greg Utas wrote:
bass boats concrete boots
Have you no concern for the environment?! The river- and ocean-beds will be covered with used concrete boots! :mad: :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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end rant :doh: only 7k lines of undocumented code with temp*this and temp*that. sigh
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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CodeWraith wrote:
Greg Utas wrote:
bass boats concrete boots
Have you no concern for the environment?! The river- and ocean-beds will be covered with used concrete boots! :mad: :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
You might use soccer boots to kick their asses instead... :rolleyes: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Save me from assembly programmers writing
Ccode. :-D"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto
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Save me from assembly programmers writing
Ccode. :-D"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto
You called? :-)
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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end rant :doh: only 7k lines of undocumented code with temp*this and temp*that. sigh
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Save me from people who think they know programming... The first two examples are VB, all the others are C#, so don't give me that C# is better than VB crap X| 4k+ lines of undocumented VB.NET code in a single WinForm, boasting over 80 fields at the top of the file :doh: An application that uses global variables for everything! Seriously, they set a global product name and use it in a form, then set it again to use it in another form (breaking the first form if it was ever refreshed, which was not possible, until it was X|). 40k+ tables in a single database, with no naming convention whatsoever. 1k+ lines in a single function with loops that are exactly the same, save they iterate over different entities that are functionally the same, but technically aren't. A report that showed 2000 users, but took 20 minutes to run, team couldn't get it faster until they hired me and I got it back to 3 seconds. Guy who called me a "little man", cost €100 an hour, but deleted my disposing statements because "the garbage collector handles it for you" and then broke production. Some guy who created twelve classes that looked exactly the same, but with different read-only property values instead of one class and instantiated that twelve times :omg: All different projects made by different people.
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You might use soccer boots to kick their asses instead... :rolleyes: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Or just give'em Python, JavaScript, or other toys for children.
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Save me from people who think they know programming... The first two examples are VB, all the others are C#, so don't give me that C# is better than VB crap X| 4k+ lines of undocumented VB.NET code in a single WinForm, boasting over 80 fields at the top of the file :doh: An application that uses global variables for everything! Seriously, they set a global product name and use it in a form, then set it again to use it in another form (breaking the first form if it was ever refreshed, which was not possible, until it was X|). 40k+ tables in a single database, with no naming convention whatsoever. 1k+ lines in a single function with loops that are exactly the same, save they iterate over different entities that are functionally the same, but technically aren't. A report that showed 2000 users, but took 20 minutes to run, team couldn't get it faster until they hired me and I got it back to 3 seconds. Guy who called me a "little man", cost €100 an hour, but deleted my disposing statements because "the garbage collector handles it for you" and then broke production. Some guy who created twelve classes that looked exactly the same, but with different read-only property values instead of one class and instantiated that twelve times :omg: All different projects made by different people.
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In my case, I have upgrade files being generated with a very format specific requirement. Any comments as to why we're doing it this way? Nope. But I do have a comment that says "loop through the data." Sigh, I know that.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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In my case, I have upgrade files being generated with a very format specific requirement. Any comments as to why we're doing it this way? Nope. But I do have a comment that says "loop through the data." Sigh, I know that.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
"loop through the data."
I know a guy who commented every line of code like that :wtf: He read somewhere that commenting code is best practice and this guy, being who he is, took that very literally :sigh: Somehow that's the same guy who read about design patterns, but didn't believe they worked :doh: That's one of the people who should stop thinking he knows programming. Luckily, I don't work with him anymore.
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end rant :doh: only 7k lines of undocumented code with temp*this and temp*that. sigh
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Oh, good, that's not me (I don't know C++).
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CodeWraith wrote:
Greg Utas wrote:
bass boats concrete boots
Have you no concern for the environment?! The river- and ocean-beds will be covered with used concrete boots! :mad: :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
I dunno. I can think of a few people who would be more useful as starter material for a reef.
Software Zen:
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Save me from assembly programmers writing
Ccode. :-D"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto
Been there, did that, still making money at it :laugh: . I spent my early career in and out of various assembly languages, all microprocessor-based. Now that I think about it, I think learning assembly, then C, then C++, and finally C# has made me really appreciate each language as I learned them. Each language in turn provides a manner of expression that is more concise than its lower-level ancestor. If we are honest and not engaged in pointless optimization, we choose a language based upon the abstractions required to solve the problem at hand. That said, I have a project now that was originally written in assembly language for a custom-built embedded processor. When it was translated to C the programmer was learning C at the same time. As a result, the C code looks very much like the original assembly source. Everything's global and everybody touches everything. Somehow the original guy discovered the
setjmp()/longjmp()abomination, and that adds to the fun.Software Zen:
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Been there, did that, still making money at it :laugh: . I spent my early career in and out of various assembly languages, all microprocessor-based. Now that I think about it, I think learning assembly, then C, then C++, and finally C# has made me really appreciate each language as I learned them. Each language in turn provides a manner of expression that is more concise than its lower-level ancestor. If we are honest and not engaged in pointless optimization, we choose a language based upon the abstractions required to solve the problem at hand. That said, I have a project now that was originally written in assembly language for a custom-built embedded processor. When it was translated to C the programmer was learning C at the same time. As a result, the C code looks very much like the original assembly source. Everything's global and everybody touches everything. Somehow the original guy discovered the
setjmp()/longjmp()abomination, and that adds to the fun.Software Zen:
delete this;Quote:
When it was translated to C the programmer was learning C at the same time. As a result, the C code looks very much like the original assembly source. Everything's global and everybody touches everything.
That's exactly what I have to deal with: 'casm' and it is an abomination. :-D
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto
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I dunno. I can think of a few people who would be more useful as starter material for a reef.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
people who would be more useful as starter material for a reef.
Given their accomplishments in life, their only accomplishments in death would be shipwrecks. :sigh:
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Honestly I think it's better to learn C++ without learning C first, otherwise Cisms leak into your code, and I say that as someone that learned C first.
Real programmers use butterflies
I still can't deal with snake_case_variables. It was my life for years but it still gives me the shivers. I've gone soft since my C++ days, obviously.
cheers Chris Maunder
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I still can't deal with snake_case_variables. It was my life for years but it still gives me the shivers. I've gone soft since my C++ days, obviously.
cheers Chris Maunder
Hey now! I use snake case in GFX. If it's good enough for the STL it's good enough for the rest of us. :laugh:
Real programmers use butterflies
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Hey now! I use snake case in GFX. If it's good enough for the STL it's good enough for the rest of us. :laugh:
Real programmers use butterflies
I'm going to write a VSCode addin that automatically converts snake case to FORTRAN case. ie every variable gets renamed to be a single letter. When all letters are used we start back at aa, ab etc
cheers Chris Maunder
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end rant :doh: only 7k lines of undocumented code with temp*this and temp*that. sigh
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
There used to be a website called CodingHorrors.com where people used to post samples of the abominations they would come across. Not sure if it's being maintained any more.
~d~
