If firefox is "not chromium base" why does it have the chromium source code?
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[link to firefox source search](https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/search?q=chromium&path=) At first pass it looks to me like chromium (ipc/chromium/src) is used for some/all extensions, presumably to support browser extensions designed for chrome. The media handler for gmp (whatever that is) (at dom/media/gmp) seems to use a chrome extension to render gmp media. Then there's security/sandbox/chromium which I guess is for some kind of compatibility mode. If firefox uses chromium automatically even for just a subset of media/pages, how can it claim to not be based on chromium?
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[link to firefox source search](https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/search?q=chromium&path=) At first pass it looks to me like chromium (ipc/chromium/src) is used for some/all extensions, presumably to support browser extensions designed for chrome. The media handler for gmp (whatever that is) (at dom/media/gmp) seems to use a chrome extension to render gmp media. Then there's security/sandbox/chromium which I guess is for some kind of compatibility mode. If firefox uses chromium automatically even for just a subset of media/pages, how can it claim to not be based on chromium?
Memtha wrote:
If firefox uses chromium automatically even for just a subset of media/pages, how can it claim to not be based on chromium?
To use something =/= being based on something. You do (I assume) use a smartphone, are you based on a smartphone?
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Memtha wrote:
If firefox uses chromium automatically even for just a subset of media/pages, how can it claim to not be based on chromium?
To use something =/= being based on something. You do (I assume) use a smartphone, are you based on a smartphone?
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den2k88 wrote:
...are you based on a smartphone?
With some of the idiots walking around today physically unseparated from their device, it's sometimes very hard to make the distinction.
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Memtha wrote:
If firefox uses chromium automatically even for just a subset of media/pages, how can it claim to not be based on chromium?
To use something =/= being based on something. You do (I assume) use a smartphone, are you based on a smartphone?
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
firefox and chrome are both software, made of the same basic elements for the same express purpose. "Using" a smartphone, having it in my hand and pushing buttons, does not at all equate to one piece of software "using" another piece of software by engulfing it. "Based on" in this context is software jargon that does not really apply to anything biological or anything at all other than software and maybe literary works. If you found a book (A) that contains another book (B) in its entirety, would you not say that A "is based on" B? Maybe A is a compilation of dozens of books so you could say that it is based equally on all the books it contains, no?
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firefox and chrome are both software, made of the same basic elements for the same express purpose. "Using" a smartphone, having it in my hand and pushing buttons, does not at all equate to one piece of software "using" another piece of software by engulfing it. "Based on" in this context is software jargon that does not really apply to anything biological or anything at all other than software and maybe literary works. If you found a book (A) that contains another book (B) in its entirety, would you not say that A "is based on" B? Maybe A is a compilation of dozens of books so you could say that it is based equally on all the books it contains, no?
Memtha wrote:
If you found a book (A) that contains another book (B) in its entirety, would you not say that A "is based on" B?
What if A only contains B as a story a character is telling another character? Then B is just an element of A and A wouldn't be based on B. Or what about log4j? All software that uses log4j isn't based on log4j. Personally I think if something is based on something else it means that the majority of the functionality can be directly or indirectly traced back to that something else. Like in an Angular app, everything can be traced back to a template, component, injector, directive, service, etc since everything runs on top of Angular - therefore an Angular app is based on Angular. In that respect I think den's analogy makes sense - it's pointing out there's a difference between using something and being based on something. Just my 2 cents :-D
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Memtha wrote:
If you found a book (A) that contains another book (B) in its entirety, would you not say that A "is based on" B?
What if A only contains B as a story a character is telling another character? Then B is just an element of A and A wouldn't be based on B. Or what about log4j? All software that uses log4j isn't based on log4j. Personally I think if something is based on something else it means that the majority of the functionality can be directly or indirectly traced back to that something else. Like in an Angular app, everything can be traced back to a template, component, injector, directive, service, etc since everything runs on top of Angular - therefore an Angular app is based on Angular. In that respect I think den's analogy makes sense - it's pointing out there's a difference between using something and being based on something. Just my 2 cents :-D
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[link to firefox source search](https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/search?q=chromium&path=) At first pass it looks to me like chromium (ipc/chromium/src) is used for some/all extensions, presumably to support browser extensions designed for chrome. The media handler for gmp (whatever that is) (at dom/media/gmp) seems to use a chrome extension to render gmp media. Then there's security/sandbox/chromium which I guess is for some kind of compatibility mode. If firefox uses chromium automatically even for just a subset of media/pages, how can it claim to not be based on chromium?
Well, What you are looking at there is part of the new RLBox sandbox implementation. It was presented a few years ago at usenix[^]. Mozilla is now using the same IPC techniques as Chromium to pass data between rendering, layout engine and logger processes. IPC over named pipes. Yep, some of that code was lifted from chromium.
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Well, What you are looking at there is part of the new RLBox sandbox implementation. It was presented a few years ago at usenix[^]. Mozilla is now using the same IPC techniques as Chromium to pass data between rendering, layout engine and logger processes. IPC over named pipes. Yep, some of that code was lifted from chromium.
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I don't disagree, but by that definition chrome isn't fully based on chromium either because rendering is a relatively small part of what a browser does.
Fair enough. I went on the Chromium description which says "Chromium is a free and open-source web browser project, principally developed and maintained by Google. This codebase provides the vast majority of code for the Google Chrome browser, which is proprietary software and has some additional features." I don't have the code-base knowledge to disagree with that statement so I went with it.