Python and Option Explicit
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Please someone adds an Option Explicit to Python. The fact that something like this is even conceivable, let alone valid, is atrocious:
class Empty:
passEmpty.completelyNewAttribute = "seriously?" # adds a class member
obj = Empty()
obj.randomTypo = 10 # adds an instance member only to objEvery new programmer makes fun of C++ for being unnecessarily hard to use but I think that a language like Python, with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves, is 10 times harder than C++. And yes, my opinion that Python is VB with different clothes is only becoming stronger. Ugh.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Please someone adds an Option Explicit to Python. The fact that something like this is even conceivable, let alone valid, is atrocious:
class Empty:
passEmpty.completelyNewAttribute = "seriously?" # adds a class member
obj = Empty()
obj.randomTypo = 10 # adds an instance member only to objEvery new programmer makes fun of C++ for being unnecessarily hard to use but I think that a language like Python, with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves, is 10 times harder than C++. And yes, my opinion that Python is VB with different clothes is only becoming stronger. Ugh.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
when I see code statements like
gotoandoption explicit, I run in the opposite direction.den2k88 wrote:
with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves
I honestly think that is the objective (thinning the herd). :sigh:
den2k88 wrote:
Every new programmer makes fun of C++
What is funny about this is that most of the software these "new programmers" run, was written partly or mostly in C++. Inconceivable! :laugh:
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when I see code statements like
gotoandoption explicit, I run in the opposite direction.den2k88 wrote:
with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves
I honestly think that is the objective (thinning the herd). :sigh:
den2k88 wrote:
Every new programmer makes fun of C++
What is funny about this is that most of the software these "new programmers" run, was written partly or mostly in C++. Inconceivable! :laugh:
Slacker007 wrote:
I honestly think that is the objective (thinning the herd). :sigh:
I like the way you think. I work in embedded so the my particular herd is already very thin :D
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Please someone adds an Option Explicit to Python. The fact that something like this is even conceivable, let alone valid, is atrocious:
class Empty:
passEmpty.completelyNewAttribute = "seriously?" # adds a class member
obj = Empty()
obj.randomTypo = 10 # adds an instance member only to objEvery new programmer makes fun of C++ for being unnecessarily hard to use but I think that a language like Python, with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves, is 10 times harder than C++. And yes, my opinion that Python is VB with different clothes is only becoming stronger. Ugh.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Please someone adds an Option Explicit to Python. The fact that something like this is even conceivable, let alone valid, is atrocious:
class Empty:
passEmpty.completelyNewAttribute = "seriously?" # adds a class member
obj = Empty()
obj.randomTypo = 10 # adds an instance member only to objEvery new programmer makes fun of C++ for being unnecessarily hard to use but I think that a language like Python, with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves, is 10 times harder than C++. And yes, my opinion that Python is VB with different clothes is only becoming stronger. Ugh.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
den2k88 wrote:
I think that a language like Python...is 10 times harder than C++.
I tried it for a few weeks but found it extremely hard to understand. I'll stick with C++ and Java.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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den2k88 wrote:
I think that a language like Python...is 10 times harder than C++.
I tried it for a few weeks but found it extremely hard to understand. I'll stick with C++ and Java.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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when I see code statements like
gotoandoption explicit, I run in the opposite direction.den2k88 wrote:
with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves
I honestly think that is the objective (thinning the herd). :sigh:
den2k88 wrote:
Every new programmer makes fun of C++
What is funny about this is that most of the software these "new programmers" run, was written partly or mostly in C++. Inconceivable! :laugh:
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Goto is an issue. Option Explicit is the programmer telling you how they're handling variables.
obermd wrote:
Option Explicit is the programmer telling you how they're handling variables.
and that is supposed to make me feel more comfortable with it? :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsdown:
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Please someone adds an Option Explicit to Python. The fact that something like this is even conceivable, let alone valid, is atrocious:
class Empty:
passEmpty.completelyNewAttribute = "seriously?" # adds a class member
obj = Empty()
obj.randomTypo = 10 # adds an instance member only to objEvery new programmer makes fun of C++ for being unnecessarily hard to use but I think that a language like Python, with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves, is 10 times harder than C++. And yes, my opinion that Python is VB with different clothes is only becoming stronger. Ugh.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
Once you realize that objects are just dictionaries, and everything is an object, it all makes a lot more sense, but one does have to understand that there is a difference between an object's dictionary and an object's instance dictionary. :-D
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den2k88 wrote:
I think that a language like Python...is 10 times harder than C++.
I tried it for a few weeks but found it extremely hard to understand. I'll stick with C++ and Java.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
It's quirky. As I'm more and more convinced, it's VisualBasic all over again (they do share birth year, by the way). It's useful to automate random stuff, it's single thread, it has a strong support for binary calling and a nice quick graphic interface whose logic is 1:1 that of Windows. In my company we will probably start using Python for automated testing and data analysis so we will need to learn it; I do find myself in need of a quick GUI to link to my Serial / MODBUS / LIN libraries to prod and test our products; we also have a self improvement program that makes us choose courses to follow during the year. Given all of the above, the decent multiplatformity (is that even a word?) of Python and its ubiquity it makes for me a good choice.
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Please someone adds an Option Explicit to Python. The fact that something like this is even conceivable, let alone valid, is atrocious:
class Empty:
passEmpty.completelyNewAttribute = "seriously?" # adds a class member
obj = Empty()
obj.randomTypo = 10 # adds an instance member only to objEvery new programmer makes fun of C++ for being unnecessarily hard to use but I think that a language like Python, with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves, is 10 times harder than C++. And yes, my opinion that Python is VB with different clothes is only becoming stronger. Ugh.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
Remember when people complained about C, so someone came up with lint? Guess what? pylint.org 😊
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Remember when people complained about C, so someone came up with lint? Guess what? pylint.org 😊
Lint... the only tool that can take a perfectly readable piece of code and make a total mess out of it. I wonder what damages it can do with Python.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Please someone adds an Option Explicit to Python. The fact that something like this is even conceivable, let alone valid, is atrocious:
class Empty:
passEmpty.completelyNewAttribute = "seriously?" # adds a class member
obj = Empty()
obj.randomTypo = 10 # adds an instance member only to objEvery new programmer makes fun of C++ for being unnecessarily hard to use but I think that a language like Python, with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves, is 10 times harder than C++. And yes, my opinion that Python is VB with different clothes is only becoming stronger. Ugh.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
I think what you're looking for are __slots__
class Empty:
__slots__ = ('completelyNewAttribute',)Empty.completelyNewAttribute = "seriously?" # adds a class member
obj = Empty()
obj.randomTypo = 10 # raises AttributeError: 'Empty' object has no attribute 'randomTypo' -
I think what you're looking for are __slots__
class Empty:
__slots__ = ('completelyNewAttribute',)Empty.completelyNewAttribute = "seriously?" # adds a class member
obj = Empty()
obj.randomTypo = 10 # raises AttributeError: 'Empty' object has no attribute 'randomTypo' -
Please someone adds an Option Explicit to Python. The fact that something like this is even conceivable, let alone valid, is atrocious:
class Empty:
passEmpty.completelyNewAttribute = "seriously?" # adds a class member
obj = Empty()
obj.randomTypo = 10 # adds an instance member only to objEvery new programmer makes fun of C++ for being unnecessarily hard to use but I think that a language like Python, with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves, is 10 times harder than C++. And yes, my opinion that Python is VB with different clothes is only becoming stronger. Ugh.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
read up on __slots__ 3. Data model — Python 3.10.2 documentation[^]
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Please someone adds an Option Explicit to Python. The fact that something like this is even conceivable, let alone valid, is atrocious:
class Empty:
passEmpty.completelyNewAttribute = "seriously?" # adds a class member
obj = Empty()
obj.randomTypo = 10 # adds an instance member only to objEvery new programmer makes fun of C++ for being unnecessarily hard to use but I think that a language like Python, with all the possible ways it enables programmers to shoot themselves, is 10 times harder than C++. And yes, my opinion that Python is VB with different clothes is only becoming stronger. Ugh.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
No! It is about the right tool for the job.I love C++, Java, SQL and Python but all of them require different ways of thinking and is for solving different problems. If you approach Python like C++ it will frustrate you to no end. However, for the right problem Python is an absolute blast to use! If you need to get something done quickly, with lots of uncertainty and you have the opportunity to iterate Python is amazing. I love it when you can work with an interface/dataset which you only need a small portion of and you don't have to define and type the stuff you are not interested (which happens a LOT in the data world). Of course lots of people hate that uncertainty and would love for everything they work with to be 100% defined, but defining something 100% of which you only use 10% is literally a waste of time. Of course that depends on context. If you deal with transactional banking you want everything defined 100% and I will stick to Java/C++. If you are trying to extract value from an enterprise data lake quickly where you don't know all the data, will have no opportunity to know all the data then using Python for ML and other purposes is awesome.
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No! It is about the right tool for the job.I love C++, Java, SQL and Python but all of them require different ways of thinking and is for solving different problems. If you approach Python like C++ it will frustrate you to no end. However, for the right problem Python is an absolute blast to use! If you need to get something done quickly, with lots of uncertainty and you have the opportunity to iterate Python is amazing. I love it when you can work with an interface/dataset which you only need a small portion of and you don't have to define and type the stuff you are not interested (which happens a LOT in the data world). Of course lots of people hate that uncertainty and would love for everything they work with to be 100% defined, but defining something 100% of which you only use 10% is literally a waste of time. Of course that depends on context. If you deal with transactional banking you want everything defined 100% and I will stick to Java/C++. If you are trying to extract value from an enterprise data lake quickly where you don't know all the data, will have no opportunity to know all the data then using Python for ML and other purposes is awesome.
Of course. I loved VB6 for its intended use and it had the following nigthmares
Option Base 1
Option Compare Text
Option Explicit ' The issue is that it's not the default so it is actually like Python
On Error Resume NextDim variable as Variant
I know where it comes from and what it is meant to do, I think it is awesome with its extensive standard library. I need it to automate stuff and talk to libraries while showing a minimal UI for expert users. So, the same as VB but portable and still maintained.
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obermd wrote:
Option Explicit is the programmer telling you how they're handling variables.
and that is supposed to make me feel more comfortable with it? :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsdown: