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    Jorgen Andersson
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    So, a recipe for ragu contains amongst others Pancetta di maiale. This translates to pork belly or bacon depending on which translation I use. Question: should it be smoked or not? It's not obvious to me.

    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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      So, a recipe for ragu contains amongst others Pancetta di maiale. This translates to pork belly or bacon depending on which translation I use. Question: should it be smoked or not? It's not obvious to me.

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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      den2k88
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      Italian here, usually we refer to the smoked one. So far the only recipes that require unsmoked pork belly in a mince are Chinese, indeed I had no small amount of trouble finding someone who would mince me pork belly to make dumplings.

      GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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      • J Jorgen Andersson

        So, a recipe for ragu contains amongst others Pancetta di maiale. This translates to pork belly or bacon depending on which translation I use. Question: should it be smoked or not? It's not obvious to me.

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        CPallini
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        I do not use the smoked one (for any Italian recipe).

        "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

        In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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        • J Jorgen Andersson

          So, a recipe for ragu contains amongst others Pancetta di maiale. This translates to pork belly or bacon depending on which translation I use. Question: should it be smoked or not? It's not obvious to me.

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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          Nelek
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          so... 2 italians, 2 different answers... You asked it, you have it :rolleyes: ;P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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            so... 2 italians, 2 different answers... You asked it, you have it :rolleyes: ;P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

            M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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            Jorgen Andersson
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            I guess I deserve that. :laugh:

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            • CPalliniC CPallini

              I do not use the smoked one (for any Italian recipe).

              "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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              Jorgen Andersson
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              I can see that I got two different answers, so I wonder if that is a personal opinion, or a regional one? If I remember correctly you're from Rome, is that correct?

              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                I can see that I got two different answers, so I wonder if that is a personal opinion, or a regional one? If I remember correctly you're from Rome, is that correct?

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                den2k88
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                On a second note I asked my wife and she told me that nope, we take great care to use the non smoked one. I still have bad habits from my mom's terrible cooking :D

                GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                  Italian here, usually we refer to the smoked one. So far the only recipes that require unsmoked pork belly in a mince are Chinese, indeed I had no small amount of trouble finding someone who would mince me pork belly to make dumplings.

                  GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                  Jorgen Andersson
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                  As I got two different answers I suspect it might depend on regional differences. I think I remember that Carlo is from Rome, And I have a faint memory that you're from the north. Is that correct?

                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                    I can see that I got two different answers, so I wonder if that is a personal opinion, or a regional one? If I remember correctly you're from Rome, is that correct?

                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                    CPallini
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                    If I remember correctly you're from Rome, is that correct?

                    Yes, that's correct: Amatriciana & Carbonara! :laugh:

                    "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

                    In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                      On a second note I asked my wife and she told me that nope, we take great care to use the non smoked one. I still have bad habits from my mom's terrible cooking :D

                      GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                      Jorgen Andersson
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                      Ah, thanks. Then you're in agreement with Carlo. :thumbsup:

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                        so... 2 italians, 2 different answers... You asked it, you have it :rolleyes: ;P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                        CPallini
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                        Indeed. :laugh:

                        "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

                        In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                        • CPalliniC CPallini

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                          If I remember correctly you're from Rome, is that correct?

                          Yes, that's correct: Amatriciana & Carbonara! :laugh:

                          "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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                          Jorgen Andersson
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                          Ingredients for Amatriciana is on the shopping list for next weekend. :thumbsup:

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                            As I got two different answers I suspect it might depend on regional differences. I think I remember that Carlo is from Rome, And I have a faint memory that you're from the north. Is that correct?

                            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                            I'm from the north, correct. There are some regional variations, for example pork cheek was almost unfindable in big stores up until a dozen years ago and we got used to make carbonara and amatriciana with smoked pork belly - which has been the readily available one for years. Unless someone was rich enough to afford a butcher, you had to make do with what great distribution offered, and until 20 years ago there were very few supermarket chains and no discount chains.

                            GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                              I'm from the north, correct. There are some regional variations, for example pork cheek was almost unfindable in big stores up until a dozen years ago and we got used to make carbonara and amatriciana with smoked pork belly - which has been the readily available one for years. Unless someone was rich enough to afford a butcher, you had to make do with what great distribution offered, and until 20 years ago there were very few supermarket chains and no discount chains.

                              GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                              Naru munim
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                              The most common foods in the Italian diet include pasta, cheese, vegetables, olive oil, meats, and wine. Italians give a lot of importance to fresh ingredients. They use seasonal ingredients to prepare meals. The Italian diet consists of breakfast (colazione), lunch (pranzo), and dinner (cena).

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                                The most common foods in the Italian diet include pasta, cheese, vegetables, olive oil, meats, and wine. Italians give a lot of importance to fresh ingredients. They use seasonal ingredients to prepare meals. The Italian diet consists of breakfast (colazione), lunch (pranzo), and dinner (cena).

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                                Copy'n'paste without attribution is called plagiarism, and it's something that we, the members (and staff) of Codeproject stamp on, very hard. We write articles, we answer questions: we don't appreciate it when somebody else uses their considerable intelect to press CTRL+C, CTRL+TAB, CTRL+V and claim it as original to them. Which is what you did here: copy'n'paste somebody else's words without giving any credit. As a result, you are now under consideration by members to be kicked from the site - we have a special forum just for spam and abuse (which includes plagiarism). You want to stay here? Remove it, apologise, and hope that we believe it was an accident ... and do it quickly, the kicking process has been started, and it doesn't normally take too long ...

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                                  Copy'n'paste without attribution is called plagiarism, and it's something that we, the members (and staff) of Codeproject stamp on, very hard. We write articles, we answer questions: we don't appreciate it when somebody else uses their considerable intelect to press CTRL+C, CTRL+TAB, CTRL+V and claim it as original to them. Which is what you did here: copy'n'paste somebody else's words without giving any credit. As a result, you are now under consideration by members to be kicked from the site - we have a special forum just for spam and abuse (which includes plagiarism). You want to stay here? Remove it, apologise, and hope that we believe it was an accident ... and do it quickly, the kicking process has been started, and it doesn't normally take too long ...

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                                  It's a bot. Also, spam isn't used in our cuisine.

                                  GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                    It's a bot. Also, spam isn't used in our cuisine.

                                    GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                    What makes you think it's a bot?

                                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                      What makes you think it's a bot?

                                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                      It hooked on "italian" and "culinary" and psoted a blurb out of some encyclopaedia, with a bad quoting too. On reddit there are many bots, some even actually useful, that do just that, posting for example a wikipedia summary when htey hook into a message with "what is xxxx?". Twitter is also full of bots like these, I had a screenshot of my FFXIV character reposted a dozen of times because in the tweet I used the word "hodgepodge", which is apparently tied to something about NFT/cryptoscam. TL;DR: it matches the behavior I saw thousands of times from bots. Add in the mix the freshly created account and well, if I had a gun I'd have pulled the trigger with a light heart.

                                      GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                        It hooked on "italian" and "culinary" and psoted a blurb out of some encyclopaedia, with a bad quoting too. On reddit there are many bots, some even actually useful, that do just that, posting for example a wikipedia summary when htey hook into a message with "what is xxxx?". Twitter is also full of bots like these, I had a screenshot of my FFXIV character reposted a dozen of times because in the tweet I used the word "hodgepodge", which is apparently tied to something about NFT/cryptoscam. TL;DR: it matches the behavior I saw thousands of times from bots. Add in the mix the freshly created account and well, if I had a gun I'd have pulled the trigger with a light heart.

                                        GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                        OriginalGriff
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                                        Makes sense! I'll edit Gregs S&A post to link the member and remove the link to here.

                                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                          So, a recipe for ragu contains amongst others Pancetta di maiale. This translates to pork belly or bacon depending on which translation I use. Question: should it be smoked or not? It's not obvious to me.

                                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                          I'd rather eat it than smoke it. ;P

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