Net framework again
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I’m trying to get a better understanding of net framework. I used to think net is just a MFC replacement. GUI programming on Windows the easy way. Windows is basically GUI tied to device drivers. In my mind .NET doesn’t reach the driver level, it’s just shallow scripting
Yes, in the same way that a F1 car is just a Ford Fiesta replacement. You can compare MFC to .NET, but .NET is a lot more than "just a windows framework" - MFC is just a structured C++ framework around the Win32 API. But it made Windows development so much easier than the entirely manual message handling that preceded it. And .NET makes development so much easier than MFC was*. It's also language agnostic in a way that MFC never could be, despite being a solid part of C# - to the point where C# can't actually do much if anything without .NET behind it to provide even basic string handling! The number of languages that you can use .NET is is pretty impressive - and any assembly written in one of them can be used in another as it it was written in the same language. I used C for Windows, Then C++, then MFC/C++, and finally moved to C# with .NET and despite it's vast scale it's pretty much consistent: it something works for one control, there's a good chance the same properties will exist in another for example. Would I go back to DLL Hell and MFC? Not a chance in Hades! * You may have noticed that I didn't mention "Windows" with .NET - it also exists for Linux, Android, and iOS via Xamarin. Try that with MFC ...
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I’m trying to get a better understanding of net framework. I used to think net is just a MFC replacement. GUI programming on Windows the easy way. Windows is basically GUI tied to device drivers. In my mind .NET doesn’t reach the driver level, it’s just shallow scripting
.Net is a combination of many things. The GUI designers are more like VB 6 and VB prior to 6. .Net does not have the equivalent of the Document/View architecture built into it as it is in MFC. .Net does not support mixing languages using a linker as does unmanaged code does. Use of multiple languages by a .Net application requires that each language be a separate executable (DLL or the single exe file). Much of .Net is based on Java. The .Net intermediate language might be an evolution of the technology Microsoft had in the original Basic interpreter in DOS. The designer and original developer of C++ explains that C++ does not support the kind of feature (such as the .Net intermediate language) that provides the portability that Java and .Net languages provide.
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I’m trying to get a better understanding of net framework. I used to think net is just a MFC replacement. GUI programming on Windows the easy way. Windows is basically GUI tied to device drivers. In my mind .NET doesn’t reach the driver level, it’s just shallow scripting
There are some 124 name spaces in the framework / class library; maybe 20% are dedicated to GUI programming. UWP and WPF use DirectX; which is close enough to driver level.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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There are some 124 name spaces in the framework / class library; maybe 20% are dedicated to GUI programming. UWP and WPF use DirectX; which is close enough to driver level.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
Gerry Schmitz wrote:
There are some 124 name spaces in the framework / class library
Try counting again - there are 2305 namespaces listed here[^]. :laugh:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Yes, in the same way that a F1 car is just a Ford Fiesta replacement. You can compare MFC to .NET, but .NET is a lot more than "just a windows framework" - MFC is just a structured C++ framework around the Win32 API. But it made Windows development so much easier than the entirely manual message handling that preceded it. And .NET makes development so much easier than MFC was*. It's also language agnostic in a way that MFC never could be, despite being a solid part of C# - to the point where C# can't actually do much if anything without .NET behind it to provide even basic string handling! The number of languages that you can use .NET is is pretty impressive - and any assembly written in one of them can be used in another as it it was written in the same language. I used C for Windows, Then C++, then MFC/C++, and finally moved to C# with .NET and despite it's vast scale it's pretty much consistent: it something works for one control, there's a good chance the same properties will exist in another for example. Would I go back to DLL Hell and MFC? Not a chance in Hades! * You may have noticed that I didn't mention "Windows" with .NET - it also exists for Linux, Android, and iOS via Xamarin. Try that with MFC ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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There are some 124 name spaces in the framework / class library; maybe 20% are dedicated to GUI programming. UWP and WPF use DirectX; which is close enough to driver level.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
Sam, Gerry thanks for feedback
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I feel like I’m traveling back in time. After seeing what Windows forms is all about it’s time to see what MFC can do. But this thread is about .net. I should probably look into what other things .net comes with, besides forms
Shed loads. I'd strongly suggest a book on the subject: they should present the whole of .NET so you don't miss something you could have used later if you had known about it! Wrox do good ones, as do Addison Wesley and MS Press.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Shed loads. I'd strongly suggest a book on the subject: they should present the whole of .NET so you don't miss something you could have used later if you had known about it! Wrox do good ones, as do Addison Wesley and MS Press.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Thanks for advice
You're welcome!
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Gerry Schmitz wrote:
There are some 124 name spaces in the framework / class library
Try counting again - there are 2305 namespaces listed here[^]. :laugh:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
I just Googled for a number; it returned one big enough to use. I suspect there are "major" ones and "minor" ones. I'll even take your word for it without bothering to check.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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.Net is a combination of many things. The GUI designers are more like VB 6 and VB prior to 6. .Net does not have the equivalent of the Document/View architecture built into it as it is in MFC. .Net does not support mixing languages using a linker as does unmanaged code does. Use of multiple languages by a .Net application requires that each language be a separate executable (DLL or the single exe file). Much of .Net is based on Java. The .Net intermediate language might be an evolution of the technology Microsoft had in the original Basic interpreter in DOS. The designer and original developer of C++ explains that C++ does not support the kind of feature (such as the .Net intermediate language) that provides the portability that Java and .Net languages provide.
Sam Hobbs wrote:
Much of .Net is based on Java.
How much are you saying is based on Java? And what do you mean by "based on?"
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
