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    charlieg
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    Came across this article titled "General guidance when working as a cloud engineer" I'm pretty sure that really doesn't exist.

    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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      Came across this article titled "General guidance when working as a cloud engineer" I'm pretty sure that really doesn't exist.

      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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      What is a Cloud Engineer and How Do You Become One?[^]

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        Came across this article titled "General guidance when working as a cloud engineer" I'm pretty sure that really doesn't exist.

        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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        The technology underlying the cloud must be engineered, but the application which is supported by the cloud is not. Though certainly the application developer should still be very diligent about understanding the implications of working on such a surface.

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          The technology underlying the cloud must be engineered, but the application which is supported by the cloud is not. Though certainly the application developer should still be very diligent about understanding the implications of working on such a surface.

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          charlieg
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          you want to be a cloud developer, fine. There is no such thing as a cloud "engineer". I interviewed people claiming they were a software engineer, and all they had done was html.

          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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            you want to be a cloud developer, fine. There is no such thing as a cloud "engineer". I interviewed people claiming they were a software engineer, and all they had done was html.

            Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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            obermd
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            There are software engineers. They aren't the best programmers because the best software developers use a combination of engineering thinking and creative thought to create beautiful and functional software solutions. Someone who uses only HTML is neither.

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              you want to be a cloud developer, fine. There is no such thing as a cloud "engineer". I interviewed people claiming they were a software engineer, and all they had done was html.

              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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              PIEBALDconsult
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              Don't misunderstand me, I don't want to be a cloud developer -- though my boss wants me to be. Yes, pretty much anyone (though certainly not everyone) claiming to be a "software engineer" is actually an inexperienced software developer with delusions of grandeur.

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                Came across this article titled "General guidance when working as a cloud engineer" I'm pretty sure that really doesn't exist.

                Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                Rolling Stones - Get Off Of My Cloud - YouTube[^]

                PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - An updated version available! JaxCoder.com

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                  What is a Cloud Engineer and How Do You Become One?[^]

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                  charlieg
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                  is the exact article I was reading...

                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                    Rolling Stones - Get Off Of My Cloud - YouTube[^]

                    PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - An updated version available! JaxCoder.com

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                    charlieg
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                    more gold. I thought that was The Monkey's. Never been a big RS fan (before my time).

                    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                      more gold. I thought that was The Monkey's. Never been a big RS fan (before my time).

                      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                      Used to be a big fan but over the years have grown. Metallica: Nothing Else Matters (Official Music Video) - YouTube[^]

                      PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - An updated version available! JaxCoder.com

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                        Came across this article titled "General guidance when working as a cloud engineer" I'm pretty sure that really doesn't exist.

                        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                        jmaida
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                        Talk about a cushy job. Much softer than being a ground engineer.

                        "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                          you want to be a cloud developer, fine. There is no such thing as a cloud "engineer". I interviewed people claiming they were a software engineer, and all they had done was html.

                          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                          Most software 'engineers' I've met aren't. It's mostly wannabe hype. An Engineer has a high level of academic training, upholds professional standards both personal and technical, and has a disciplined approach. It takes a long time to become an Engineer. Being able to scribble code and know what TDD, DRY and SOLID mean don't make you an Engineer, just as in other fields being able to design a steel beam or fix a car or a washing machine don't make you an Engineer.

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                            Came across this article titled "General guidance when working as a cloud engineer" I'm pretty sure that really doesn't exist.

                            Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                            MikeCO10
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                            Actually, it's a funny article! Starts off with

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                            Each position focuses on a specific type of cloud computing, rather than the technology as a whole

                            Then the "must-have skills" below is a laundry list of almost every IT skillset.

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                              Came across this article titled "General guidance when working as a cloud engineer" I'm pretty sure that really doesn't exist.

                              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                              Kate X257
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                              Ah, the cloud. Magical. SSL connection suddenly fails for 0.001% of our clients, when a recycled node updated the TTL for a cert to 0, to force-refresh all clients. Yeah that won't work. Best practice? We should tell our clients to update their network infrastructure, so it supports our cloud's load balacing node recycling scheme. Our clients don't even know what a router is, so yeah, great advice I guess. :D

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                                Most software 'engineers' I've met aren't. It's mostly wannabe hype. An Engineer has a high level of academic training, upholds professional standards both personal and technical, and has a disciplined approach. It takes a long time to become an Engineer. Being able to scribble code and know what TDD, DRY and SOLID mean don't make you an Engineer, just as in other fields being able to design a steel beam or fix a car or a washing machine don't make you an Engineer.

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                                Persons using the title Software Engineer who do not have an Engineering degree & a professional licence (e.g. P.Eng. in Canada) should desist as it is illegal to call yourself an Engineer in many countries without those qualifications. If the relevant governing body finds out (e.g. PEO in Ontario), they will take such a person to court as a matter of policy & the offender will be fined & have court costs to pay.

                                RB (P.Eng.)

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                                  Most software 'engineers' I've met aren't. It's mostly wannabe hype. An Engineer has a high level of academic training, upholds professional standards both personal and technical, and has a disciplined approach. It takes a long time to become an Engineer. Being able to scribble code and know what TDD, DRY and SOLID mean don't make you an Engineer, just as in other fields being able to design a steel beam or fix a car or a washing machine don't make you an Engineer.

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                                  Persons using the title Software Engineer who do not have an Engineering degree & a professional licence (e.g. P.Eng. in Canada) should desist as it is illegal to call yourself an Engineer in many countries without those qualifications. If the relevant governing body finds out (e.g. PEO in Ontario), they will take such a person to court as a matter of policy & the offender will be fined & have court costs to pay.

                                  RB (P.Eng.)

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                                    Came across this article titled "General guidance when working as a cloud engineer" I'm pretty sure that really doesn't exist.

                                    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                    Plamen Dragiyski
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                                    Just imagine the confusion, when scientists start to modify weather patterns and start hiring someone that can design a cloud with specific properties.

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                                      Persons using the title Software Engineer who do not have an Engineering degree & a professional licence (e.g. P.Eng. in Canada) should desist as it is illegal to call yourself an Engineer in many countries without those qualifications. If the relevant governing body finds out (e.g. PEO in Ontario), they will take such a person to court as a matter of policy & the offender will be fined & have court costs to pay.

                                      RB (P.Eng.)

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                                      To me, software engineering is about the discipline of applying techniques to manage software complexity. At a minimum, source code management, unit/regression testing, continuous integration, issue management and where possible, code review. It is much, much more than slinging code, which is what I did for the first 20 years of my career before I called myself a software engineer.

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                                        Came across this article titled "General guidance when working as a cloud engineer" I'm pretty sure that really doesn't exist.

                                        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                        And here I thought God engineered clouds!

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