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    [Suzanne Ciani Creates The Soundtrack For A Pinball Machine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r28i-k3mL3o) YT is recommending this next: [Suzanne Ciani - Waveshaper TV Ep.17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrP6-EeWySE)

    Our Forgotten Astronomy | Object Oriented Programming with C++ | Wordle solver

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      [Suzanne Ciani Creates The Soundtrack For A Pinball Machine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r28i-k3mL3o) YT is recommending this next: [Suzanne Ciani - Waveshaper TV Ep.17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrP6-EeWySE)

      Our Forgotten Astronomy | Object Oriented Programming with C++ | Wordle solver

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      Maximilien
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      "female voices needs about twice as much bits of information" ??? I miss pinball machines.

      CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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        "female voices needs about twice as much bits of information" ??? I miss pinball machines.

        CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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        Slow Eddie
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        We always called them "Biff and Flip" machines. I had a dog I named "Biff" for that reason.

        Ed

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          "female voices needs about twice as much bits of information" ??? I miss pinball machines.

          CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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          Daniel Pfeffer
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          Maximilien wrote:

          female voices needs about twice as much bits of information

          It makes sense that you'd need more bits to synthesize a female voice - female voices have a higher pitch than male voices, therefore a higher frequency is necessary to encode them properly. Whether the frequency must be double, I have no idea. I ignore issues such as varying volume (possibly female voices vary naturally more than male?), which would also add to the required bit rate.

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            Maximilien wrote:

            female voices needs about twice as much bits of information

            It makes sense that you'd need more bits to synthesize a female voice - female voices have a higher pitch than male voices, therefore a higher frequency is necessary to encode them properly. Whether the frequency must be double, I have no idea. I ignore issues such as varying volume (possibly female voices vary naturally more than male?), which would also add to the required bit rate.

            Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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            kalberts
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            You seem to suggest that a higher pitched voiced conveys more information, thus requiring more bits. I dare to challenge that assumption.

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              You seem to suggest that a higher pitched voiced conveys more information, thus requiring more bits. I dare to challenge that assumption.

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              I think what Dan is saying is that higher frequency information requires more bits of encoding. From my perspective, whether a high frequency voice has more information than a lower one is a density factor rather a quality of information. Yes, more information but not necessarily better information. Just saying. Interesting question.

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                You seem to suggest that a higher pitched voiced conveys more information, thus requiring more bits. I dare to challenge that assumption.

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                Daniel Pfeffer
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                In order to correctly represent a tone (no aliasing or other artifacts), the [Nyquist-Shannon Theorem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist–Shannon\_sampling\_theorem) requires at least 2 data points for each cycle. As female voices have a higher pitch than male voices, reproducing them accurately requires a higher sampling rate, i.e. more bits/second. It is in this sense that female voices require a higher bit rate than male voices. A higher frequency does allow for faster transmission of data, but that depends on the encoding. The encoding used by female voices does not markedly differ from that used by male voices, therefore the data transmission rate is similar.

                Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                  In order to correctly represent a tone (no aliasing or other artifacts), the [Nyquist-Shannon Theorem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist–Shannon\_sampling\_theorem) requires at least 2 data points for each cycle. As female voices have a higher pitch than male voices, reproducing them accurately requires a higher sampling rate, i.e. more bits/second. It is in this sense that female voices require a higher bit rate than male voices. A higher frequency does allow for faster transmission of data, but that depends on the encoding. The encoding used by female voices does not markedly differ from that used by male voices, therefore the data transmission rate is similar.

                  Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                  trønderen
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                  A tone can be represented in many ways. E.g. MIDI tone representation used a constant number of bits regardless of the pitch. If all the information you intend to convey (or preserve) is the pitch, representing the waveform is a truly wasteful format. I have not yet heard any feminist claim that female speech carries more information than male speech because the female voice is higher pitched. Considering some other rather crazy feminist arguments I have heard, I wouldn't be surprised if this pops up as well.

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                    In order to correctly represent a tone (no aliasing or other artifacts), the [Nyquist-Shannon Theorem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist–Shannon\_sampling\_theorem) requires at least 2 data points for each cycle. As female voices have a higher pitch than male voices, reproducing them accurately requires a higher sampling rate, i.e. more bits/second. It is in this sense that female voices require a higher bit rate than male voices. A higher frequency does allow for faster transmission of data, but that depends on the encoding. The encoding used by female voices does not markedly differ from that used by male voices, therefore the data transmission rate is similar.

                    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                    jmaida
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                    agree

                    "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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