*Every* browser is dropping support for 7...
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Just as I finally managed to wean some people off of IE and onto Edge last year (yes, it took 'em that long), now Edge is nagging them to get off of Win7 and onto something newer as the browser will no longer update itself on that OS. Realize that changing browsers is a big deal for some people. Now I'm being asked to get them used to a whole new OS. Which is gonna be a pig on old hardware, which is performing otherwise just fine with Edge + Win7. Chrome isn't an option (I'm looking at their support page right now) as the last version to support 7 is 109, which came out exactly a month ago today. The Firefox support page for the latest (109.0.1 as of this writing) says it supports 7. I don't think switching these folks over to FF is gonna be a good option anyway if I'm gonna have to find yet another alternative a few months down the road (I'm looking at a page suggesting August 2023). This is perfectly capable hardware, and runs Windows 7 just fine even with recent browsers. I *know* the hardware won't perform as well with 10 (and 11 has its own (totally artificial) requirements). In terms of hardware requirements, Linux might be an interesting alternative. But not for these people. I'm out of ideas. These folks can't afford new hardware "just because" browser makers no longer want to bother supporting 7. What **OS** feature are modern browsers relying on anyway that they can't keep supporting 7? Security? Let them agree to a disclaimer and let them carry on with their lives.
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Just as I finally managed to wean some people off of IE and onto Edge last year (yes, it took 'em that long), now Edge is nagging them to get off of Win7 and onto something newer as the browser will no longer update itself on that OS. Realize that changing browsers is a big deal for some people. Now I'm being asked to get them used to a whole new OS. Which is gonna be a pig on old hardware, which is performing otherwise just fine with Edge + Win7. Chrome isn't an option (I'm looking at their support page right now) as the last version to support 7 is 109, which came out exactly a month ago today. The Firefox support page for the latest (109.0.1 as of this writing) says it supports 7. I don't think switching these folks over to FF is gonna be a good option anyway if I'm gonna have to find yet another alternative a few months down the road (I'm looking at a page suggesting August 2023). This is perfectly capable hardware, and runs Windows 7 just fine even with recent browsers. I *know* the hardware won't perform as well with 10 (and 11 has its own (totally artificial) requirements). In terms of hardware requirements, Linux might be an interesting alternative. But not for these people. I'm out of ideas. These folks can't afford new hardware "just because" browser makers no longer want to bother supporting 7. What **OS** feature are modern browsers relying on anyway that they can't keep supporting 7? Security? Let them agree to a disclaimer and let them carry on with their lives.
dandy72 wrote:
disclaimer
Eh? disconinued support means exactly that: "May or may not work on 7" [EDIT] sorry, I reread your post. I am pretty sure updates would break your old browser. They simply do not examine if it will break or not. Why not be happy with an un-updated browser ?
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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dandy72 wrote:
disclaimer
Eh? disconinued support means exactly that: "May or may not work on 7" [EDIT] sorry, I reread your post. I am pretty sure updates would break your old browser. They simply do not examine if it will break or not. Why not be happy with an un-updated browser ?
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
Updates are the problem, not the solution.
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Updates are the problem, not the solution.
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dandy72 wrote:
disclaimer
Eh? disconinued support means exactly that: "May or may not work on 7" [EDIT] sorry, I reread your post. I am pretty sure updates would break your old browser. They simply do not examine if it will break or not. Why not be happy with an un-updated browser ?
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
The installer for newer versions ID the OS and tell you upfront, it won't install. If it was just "may or may not work", that wouldn't be half-bad.
megaadam wrote:
Why not be happy with an un-updated browser ?
(a) The constant nag (b) If history's any indication, more and more pages will just have their rendering completely mess up by browsers that aren't keeping up, making them even less usable than risky security.
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Just as I finally managed to wean some people off of IE and onto Edge last year (yes, it took 'em that long), now Edge is nagging them to get off of Win7 and onto something newer as the browser will no longer update itself on that OS. Realize that changing browsers is a big deal for some people. Now I'm being asked to get them used to a whole new OS. Which is gonna be a pig on old hardware, which is performing otherwise just fine with Edge + Win7. Chrome isn't an option (I'm looking at their support page right now) as the last version to support 7 is 109, which came out exactly a month ago today. The Firefox support page for the latest (109.0.1 as of this writing) says it supports 7. I don't think switching these folks over to FF is gonna be a good option anyway if I'm gonna have to find yet another alternative a few months down the road (I'm looking at a page suggesting August 2023). This is perfectly capable hardware, and runs Windows 7 just fine even with recent browsers. I *know* the hardware won't perform as well with 10 (and 11 has its own (totally artificial) requirements). In terms of hardware requirements, Linux might be an interesting alternative. But not for these people. I'm out of ideas. These folks can't afford new hardware "just because" browser makers no longer want to bother supporting 7. What **OS** feature are modern browsers relying on anyway that they can't keep supporting 7? Security? Let them agree to a disclaimer and let them carry on with their lives.
dandy72 wrote:
I know the hardware won't perform as well with 10
Are you sure? I seem to remember that I was pleasantly surprised when I installed W10 that it seemed nimbler than W7.
Mircea
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Just as I finally managed to wean some people off of IE and onto Edge last year (yes, it took 'em that long), now Edge is nagging them to get off of Win7 and onto something newer as the browser will no longer update itself on that OS. Realize that changing browsers is a big deal for some people. Now I'm being asked to get them used to a whole new OS. Which is gonna be a pig on old hardware, which is performing otherwise just fine with Edge + Win7. Chrome isn't an option (I'm looking at their support page right now) as the last version to support 7 is 109, which came out exactly a month ago today. The Firefox support page for the latest (109.0.1 as of this writing) says it supports 7. I don't think switching these folks over to FF is gonna be a good option anyway if I'm gonna have to find yet another alternative a few months down the road (I'm looking at a page suggesting August 2023). This is perfectly capable hardware, and runs Windows 7 just fine even with recent browsers. I *know* the hardware won't perform as well with 10 (and 11 has its own (totally artificial) requirements). In terms of hardware requirements, Linux might be an interesting alternative. But not for these people. I'm out of ideas. These folks can't afford new hardware "just because" browser makers no longer want to bother supporting 7. What **OS** feature are modern browsers relying on anyway that they can't keep supporting 7? Security? Let them agree to a disclaimer and let them carry on with their lives.
I don't #$%^'in care. I have chrome's win7 nag shut off with a registry edit and use seamonkey browser anyway. Firefox is a dork like sears and ibm.
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Just as I finally managed to wean some people off of IE and onto Edge last year (yes, it took 'em that long), now Edge is nagging them to get off of Win7 and onto something newer as the browser will no longer update itself on that OS. Realize that changing browsers is a big deal for some people. Now I'm being asked to get them used to a whole new OS. Which is gonna be a pig on old hardware, which is performing otherwise just fine with Edge + Win7. Chrome isn't an option (I'm looking at their support page right now) as the last version to support 7 is 109, which came out exactly a month ago today. The Firefox support page for the latest (109.0.1 as of this writing) says it supports 7. I don't think switching these folks over to FF is gonna be a good option anyway if I'm gonna have to find yet another alternative a few months down the road (I'm looking at a page suggesting August 2023). This is perfectly capable hardware, and runs Windows 7 just fine even with recent browsers. I *know* the hardware won't perform as well with 10 (and 11 has its own (totally artificial) requirements). In terms of hardware requirements, Linux might be an interesting alternative. But not for these people. I'm out of ideas. These folks can't afford new hardware "just because" browser makers no longer want to bother supporting 7. What **OS** feature are modern browsers relying on anyway that they can't keep supporting 7? Security? Let them agree to a disclaimer and let them carry on with their lives.
Install a plugin that changes your user agent string to remove the OS part or change it to say Windows 8.1 or something. That's all these sites are doing to check your OS version. So, just change what the source says.
Jeremy Falcon
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Just as I finally managed to wean some people off of IE and onto Edge last year (yes, it took 'em that long), now Edge is nagging them to get off of Win7 and onto something newer as the browser will no longer update itself on that OS. Realize that changing browsers is a big deal for some people. Now I'm being asked to get them used to a whole new OS. Which is gonna be a pig on old hardware, which is performing otherwise just fine with Edge + Win7. Chrome isn't an option (I'm looking at their support page right now) as the last version to support 7 is 109, which came out exactly a month ago today. The Firefox support page for the latest (109.0.1 as of this writing) says it supports 7. I don't think switching these folks over to FF is gonna be a good option anyway if I'm gonna have to find yet another alternative a few months down the road (I'm looking at a page suggesting August 2023). This is perfectly capable hardware, and runs Windows 7 just fine even with recent browsers. I *know* the hardware won't perform as well with 10 (and 11 has its own (totally artificial) requirements). In terms of hardware requirements, Linux might be an interesting alternative. But not for these people. I'm out of ideas. These folks can't afford new hardware "just because" browser makers no longer want to bother supporting 7. What **OS** feature are modern browsers relying on anyway that they can't keep supporting 7? Security? Let them agree to a disclaimer and let them carry on with their lives.
Nothing is telling me I have to uninstall IE on any machines that matters. You set your "preferred" browser; you're not actually "changing" it. If it can access the sites that are needed, it's not an issue at this time.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Just as I finally managed to wean some people off of IE and onto Edge last year (yes, it took 'em that long), now Edge is nagging them to get off of Win7 and onto something newer as the browser will no longer update itself on that OS. Realize that changing browsers is a big deal for some people. Now I'm being asked to get them used to a whole new OS. Which is gonna be a pig on old hardware, which is performing otherwise just fine with Edge + Win7. Chrome isn't an option (I'm looking at their support page right now) as the last version to support 7 is 109, which came out exactly a month ago today. The Firefox support page for the latest (109.0.1 as of this writing) says it supports 7. I don't think switching these folks over to FF is gonna be a good option anyway if I'm gonna have to find yet another alternative a few months down the road (I'm looking at a page suggesting August 2023). This is perfectly capable hardware, and runs Windows 7 just fine even with recent browsers. I *know* the hardware won't perform as well with 10 (and 11 has its own (totally artificial) requirements). In terms of hardware requirements, Linux might be an interesting alternative. But not for these people. I'm out of ideas. These folks can't afford new hardware "just because" browser makers no longer want to bother supporting 7. What **OS** feature are modern browsers relying on anyway that they can't keep supporting 7? Security? Let them agree to a disclaimer and let them carry on with their lives.
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Nothing is telling me I have to uninstall IE on any machines that matters. You set your "preferred" browser; you're not actually "changing" it. If it can access the sites that are needed, it's not an issue at this time.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
Just noting that on Windows 10 there was a auto-update that disabled IE and replaced it with Edge. Researching the fix and getting it back was not really something that some people who are nervous around computers might want to undertake without kindly instruction.
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Just as I finally managed to wean some people off of IE and onto Edge last year (yes, it took 'em that long), now Edge is nagging them to get off of Win7 and onto something newer as the browser will no longer update itself on that OS. Realize that changing browsers is a big deal for some people. Now I'm being asked to get them used to a whole new OS. Which is gonna be a pig on old hardware, which is performing otherwise just fine with Edge + Win7. Chrome isn't an option (I'm looking at their support page right now) as the last version to support 7 is 109, which came out exactly a month ago today. The Firefox support page for the latest (109.0.1 as of this writing) says it supports 7. I don't think switching these folks over to FF is gonna be a good option anyway if I'm gonna have to find yet another alternative a few months down the road (I'm looking at a page suggesting August 2023). This is perfectly capable hardware, and runs Windows 7 just fine even with recent browsers. I *know* the hardware won't perform as well with 10 (and 11 has its own (totally artificial) requirements). In terms of hardware requirements, Linux might be an interesting alternative. But not for these people. I'm out of ideas. These folks can't afford new hardware "just because" browser makers no longer want to bother supporting 7. What **OS** feature are modern browsers relying on anyway that they can't keep supporting 7? Security? Let them agree to a disclaimer and let them carry on with their lives.
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I don't #$%^'in care. I have chrome's win7 nag shut off with a registry edit and use seamonkey browser anyway. Firefox is a dork like sears and ibm.
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dandy72 wrote:
I know the hardware won't perform as well with 10
Are you sure? I seem to remember that I was pleasantly surprised when I installed W10 that it seemed nimbler than W7.
Mircea
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Nothing is telling me I have to uninstall IE on any machines that matters. You set your "preferred" browser; you're not actually "changing" it. If it can access the sites that are needed, it's not an issue at this time.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Why do you need to change browsers at all right now? If you / they are happy to run an older unsupported OS (Win 7) why fret about an older unsupported browser (Edge, Chrome or FF)?
Because sites refuse to let you connect using older/no longer supported protocols; pages aren't tested and rendering is completely messed up, etc. Generally I have no problem using software that is set in stone, but a browser, by its nature, tries to connect to *something* - the web in this case - that is constantly evolving.
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dandy72 wrote:
Realize that changing browsers is a big deal for some people
I run Windows 10. For the most part it looks like Windows 95 with addons that I have added.
jschell wrote:
I run Windows 10. For the most part it looks like Windows 95 with addons that I have added.
You and I can deal with that. But I'm talking about people who get profoundly disturbed by the fact that the icon for their browser changed from a blue E to a blue/green circle. To them, 95 and 10 are nothing alike. I'm likely to get a phonecall if their wallpaper changes. I'd love to be able, like you, to pretend such people don't exist.
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Because sites refuse to let you connect using older/no longer supported protocols; pages aren't tested and rendering is completely messed up, etc. Generally I have no problem using software that is set in stone, but a browser, by its nature, tries to connect to *something* - the web in this case - that is constantly evolving.
I get the need to leave IE (its been deprecated for several years) but all the other choices have only very recently dropped (or will drop) support for Win7. I suspect you're going to be fine with today's versions for several years before protocols change enough to matter.
