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So this is fun: a war story

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  • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

    honey the codewitch wrote:

    plus it has been drilled into me to avoid crit secs

    Not sure why you say that: critsects are lighter sync objects that can be used only inside a process. That might avoid an expensive context switch. That's my thinking at least.

    Mircea

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    Daniel Pfeffer
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    Unlike mutexes & semaphores, a critical section is not a Kernel object. Acquiring a mutex or semaphore always requires a switch into kernel mode, which is not necessarily true for critical sections. The major disadvantages of critical sections are: 1. They are not shareable between processes (unlike semaphores and mutexes) 2. They are not recursive (unlike mutexes)

    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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      Unlike mutexes & semaphores, a critical section is not a Kernel object. Acquiring a mutex or semaphore always requires a switch into kernel mode, which is not necessarily true for critical sections. The major disadvantages of critical sections are: 1. They are not shareable between processes (unlike semaphores and mutexes) 2. They are not recursive (unlike mutexes)

      Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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      Mircea Neacsu
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      That matches exactly what I knew. In my case I didn't need inter-process synchronization. I just needed to serialize access to a ring buffer between a producer and consumers.

      Mircea

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      • H honey the codewitch

        I'll keep it as a crit sec i think. Performance isn't critical in this in any case. If anything the PC runs too fast for what I need it for, except when doing SPI and I2C emulation. It's basically a way to connect Arduino's HardwareSerial class instances like Serial, Serial1, Serial2 etc to actual COM ports. Eventually I plan to also expose a virtual COM port so that you can connect to the PC without a loopback (which I'm currently using for testing). Current attempts at that have gone... poorly. No BSOD, but given i have to enable test signing to even get the driver to install, I don't want to force that on people, so i may nix it unless there's an easy way to get a software cert. I haven't looked into it. Oh and when I did try to install the DDK sample, it installed, but didn't show up as a COM port and so I have no way to uninstall it that's apparent.

        Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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        Mircea Neacsu
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        honey the codewitch wrote:

        unless there's an easy way to get a software cert.

        If you find one, please share it with us. I'm looking for the same.

        Mircea

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        • H honey the codewitch

          Oh it's definitely a deadlock. I'm just not sure where, and I think a lot of it has to do with me misunderstanding the behavior when reading COM ports under win32.

          Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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          Gary Stachelski 2021
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          found this on stack overflow: "Serial port causes deadlock after some non fixed number of writes (C++)" It is from 8 years ago. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28438045/serial-port-causes-deadlock-after-some-non-fixed-number-of-writes-c[^]

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          • H honey the codewitch

            Oooh I'll take a look. Right now I'm getting a hang on open, which is unfortunate. I may need to reboot and start fresh, but I'll download what you linked to first. Thank you. There's obviously some black magic here, and COM ports have never been particularly friendly when they decide not to work.

            Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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            Are you running open loop (continuous polling the buffers)? Are hardware interrupts involved? It's been too long ago for clarity, but my serial port adventures usually ended up by running some sort raw polling routine and do all the character interpretation and buffering if needed in the same loop. But I may just understand your problem. I do sympathize with need for solution. couldn't sleep on it either. BTW I did not C file I/O opens and reads.

            "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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              Are you running open loop (continuous polling the buffers)? Are hardware interrupts involved? It's been too long ago for clarity, but my serial port adventures usually ended up by running some sort raw polling routine and do all the character interpretation and buffering if needed in the same loop. But I may just understand your problem. I do sympathize with need for solution. couldn't sleep on it either. BTW I did not C file I/O opens and reads.

              "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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              I am running a loop on a thread for each COM port, using non-overlapped I/O. It's primitive, but it works well enough. Well, it does now. It was freezing up on the call to FileOpenW(L"\\\\.\\COM25",...) but a reboot fixed it and it's all working great now.

              Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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              • H honey the codewitch

                It's hanging on Opening the com port with FileOpenW(L"\\\\.\\COM25"...) despite it being valid. I may need to reboot as prior crashes could have hung the COM port or something. Still, I wish it would time out.

                Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                You need something like this ... RS232 Breakout Tester LED Monitor, DB9 Male to Female Breakout Module : Amazon.com.au: Computers[^] but using a breadboard and LEDs would be far cheaper. Then you can see what is happening. It was one of most trusted testing tools, back in the day...

                Graeme


                "I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee

                “I fear not the man who has practised 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practised one kick 10,000 times.” - Bruce Lee.

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                • Graeme_GrantG Graeme_Grant

                  You need something like this ... RS232 Breakout Tester LED Monitor, DB9 Male to Female Breakout Module : Amazon.com.au: Computers[^] but using a breadboard and LEDs would be far cheaper. Then you can see what is happening. It was one of most trusted testing tools, back in the day...

                  Graeme


                  "I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee

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                  honey the codewitch
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                  A reboot fixed it. I guess a previous crash maybe left the com port in a bad state.

                  Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                  • H honey the codewitch

                    A reboot fixed it. I guess a previous crash maybe left the com port in a bad state.

                    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                    Graeme_Grant
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                    Yeah, it can get stuck and confused... Glad it is sorted

                    Graeme


                    "I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee

                    “I fear not the man who has practised 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practised one kick 10,000 times.” - Bruce Lee.

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                    • H honey the codewitch

                      I am running a loop on a thread for each COM port, using non-overlapped I/O. It's primitive, but it works well enough. Well, it does now. It was freezing up on the call to FileOpenW(L"\\\\.\\COM25",...) but a reboot fixed it and it's all working great now.

                      Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                      :) all is well that ends well. :)

                      "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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