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    dandy72
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    ...not knowing your CPU's core temperature? Having two utilities that read it, and display wildly different results. I might as well not know at all.

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      ...not knowing your CPU's core temperature? Having two utilities that read it, and display wildly different results. I might as well not know at all.

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      Assuming they're both using the same units (°C vs °F vs °K), get a third utility so you can find out which one is correct. Of course, if the third utility displays yet another wildly different temperature, then you're stuffed. :laugh:


      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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        Assuming they're both using the same units (°C vs °F vs °K), get a third utility so you can find out which one is correct. Of course, if the third utility displays yet another wildly different temperature, then you're stuffed. :laugh:


        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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        Richard Deeming wrote:

        Of course, if the third utility displays yet another wildly different temperature

        Average? Median? :rolleyes: :laugh:

        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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          ...not knowing your CPU's core temperature? Having two utilities that read it, and display wildly different results. I might as well not know at all.

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          Richard Andrew x64
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          May I ask which CPU you're talking about? And what chipset?

          The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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            Richard Deeming wrote:

            Of course, if the third utility displays yet another wildly different temperature

            Average? Median? :rolleyes: :laugh:

            M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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            Richard Deeming
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            Does the wisdom of crowds[^] apply to buggy hardware monitoring utilities? :-D


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            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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            • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

              Assuming they're both using the same units (°C vs °F vs °K), get a third utility so you can find out which one is correct. Of course, if the third utility displays yet another wildly different temperature, then you're stuffed. :laugh:


              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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              dandy72
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              See the XKCD comic about having 14 standards. :-)

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              • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                May I ask which CPU you're talking about? And what chipset?

                The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                dandy72
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                Sure. The machine is an antique at this point, it's an [Acer Aspire easyStore H340](https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=acer7+aspire+easystore+h340&form=HDRSC4&first=1) - shipped with Windows Home Server (so, 2007 or so!), which has been repurposed and running Windows 7 essentially as a headless NAS. Still works great for the job that's been assigned to it, so I've never looked into replacing it. Core Temp reports the CPU as an Intel Atom (Diamondville), socket 437 (FCBGA437). Open Hardware Monitor reports it as an Intel Atom 230. Core Temp reports the temperature floating around 67C. Open Hardware Monitor says 32C.

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                  ...not knowing your CPU's core temperature? Having two utilities that read it, and display wildly different results. I might as well not know at all.

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                  This is why single source of data is important. If you have two sources of truth, what if they don't agree?

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                    This is why single source of data is important. If you have two sources of truth, what if they don't agree?

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                    I've always said, if I have a watch, I can probably tell you the time. If I have two watches...I'll be less certain of the accuracy of my response.

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                      I've always said, if I have a watch, I can probably tell you the time. If I have two watches...I'll be less certain of the accuracy of my response.

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                      Christian Graus
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                      Exactly!!!

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                        Sure. The machine is an antique at this point, it's an [Acer Aspire easyStore H340](https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=acer7+aspire+easystore+h340&form=HDRSC4&first=1) - shipped with Windows Home Server (so, 2007 or so!), which has been repurposed and running Windows 7 essentially as a headless NAS. Still works great for the job that's been assigned to it, so I've never looked into replacing it. Core Temp reports the CPU as an Intel Atom (Diamondville), socket 437 (FCBGA437). Open Hardware Monitor reports it as an Intel Atom 230. Core Temp reports the temperature floating around 67C. Open Hardware Monitor says 32C.

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                        dandy72 wrote:

                        ... around 67C...says 32C.

                        You should be able to use your hand to figure out which of those is right. Hopefully the second. Presuming that there is only one temperature sensor and if the same utility keeps getting it wrong then discard it. Of course if there are two sensors then one of those could be bad.

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                          dandy72 wrote:

                          ... around 67C...says 32C.

                          You should be able to use your hand to figure out which of those is right. Hopefully the second. Presuming that there is only one temperature sensor and if the same utility keeps getting it wrong then discard it. Of course if there are two sensors then one of those could be bad.

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                          jschell wrote:

                          You should be able to use your hand to figure out which of those is right.

                          True. What I prefer with Open Hardware Monitor is that it writes its data to WMI, which I then read back with another tool to display a graph of temperature over time (and combine with the same data from other systems). Core Temp only exports its data to a log file (although I could still work with that if I really, really wanted to)... But if the data's inaccurate, being able to plot pretty graphs with it is kinda useless. :-)

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