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    Lost User
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    Disclaimer: I'm not speaking from experience, because I don't own any Bluetooth devices. All the following is guesswork.


    Since Bluetooth devices can aparrently so simply connect to any other Bluetooth devices within range, is it not conceivable that by "war-patrolling", say a train station, and find a person with a Bluetooth cellphone, and then with your Bluetooth PDA, dial up to the internet using someone else's phone? People probably wouldn't notice if their phone, which is presumably in their pocket, is being used by a person sitting next to them on a bench, or in a train - or am I totally wrong here? Comments please :-D Paul ;)

    I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead. - Samuel Goldwyn

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      Disclaimer: I'm not speaking from experience, because I don't own any Bluetooth devices. All the following is guesswork.


      Since Bluetooth devices can aparrently so simply connect to any other Bluetooth devices within range, is it not conceivable that by "war-patrolling", say a train station, and find a person with a Bluetooth cellphone, and then with your Bluetooth PDA, dial up to the internet using someone else's phone? People probably wouldn't notice if their phone, which is presumably in their pocket, is being used by a person sitting next to them on a bench, or in a train - or am I totally wrong here? Comments please :-D Paul ;)

      I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead. - Samuel Goldwyn

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      I think bluetooth security operates using a pairing system, so devices should only respond automatically to other devices that they are paired with and for which they have an 'authorised' setting. Niall

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        I think bluetooth security operates using a pairing system, so devices should only respond automatically to other devices that they are paired with and for which they have an 'authorised' setting. Niall

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        Ah - that would make sense... Paul ;)

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          Disclaimer: I'm not speaking from experience, because I don't own any Bluetooth devices. All the following is guesswork.


          Since Bluetooth devices can aparrently so simply connect to any other Bluetooth devices within range, is it not conceivable that by "war-patrolling", say a train station, and find a person with a Bluetooth cellphone, and then with your Bluetooth PDA, dial up to the internet using someone else's phone? People probably wouldn't notice if their phone, which is presumably in their pocket, is being used by a person sitting next to them on a bench, or in a train - or am I totally wrong here? Comments please :-D Paul ;)

          I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead. - Samuel Goldwyn

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          Ryan Binns
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          :suss: What are you scheming this time?

          Ryan

          "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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            :suss: What are you scheming this time?

            Ryan

            "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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            Free Internet in transit? ;P Paul said: I'm not speaking from experience yet... :evil-smiley: ;P Paul ;)

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              Free Internet in transit? ;P Paul said: I'm not speaking from experience yet... :evil-smiley: ;P Paul ;)

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              Paul van der Walt wrote: yet... Uh oh :~

              Ryan

              "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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                Paul van der Walt wrote: yet... Uh oh :~

                Ryan

                "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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                Ryan Binns wrote: Uh oh You didn't think that the inventors of Bluetooth had anything else in mind did you? I mean, all you need to do is find someone that has a Bluetooth phone, and sit next to them ;P;P;P Except for that darn security :| ;P Paul ;)

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                  Disclaimer: I'm not speaking from experience, because I don't own any Bluetooth devices. All the following is guesswork.


                  Since Bluetooth devices can aparrently so simply connect to any other Bluetooth devices within range, is it not conceivable that by "war-patrolling", say a train station, and find a person with a Bluetooth cellphone, and then with your Bluetooth PDA, dial up to the internet using someone else's phone? People probably wouldn't notice if their phone, which is presumably in their pocket, is being used by a person sitting next to them on a bench, or in a train - or am I totally wrong here? Comments please :-D Paul ;)

                  I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead. - Samuel Goldwyn

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                  You have to pair the devices to get them to work together. I have bluetooth in my cell-phone, a bluetooth headset and an USB->bluetooth dongle for my laptop. Works great :) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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                    You have to pair the devices to get them to work together. I have bluetooth in my cell-phone, a bluetooth headset and an USB->bluetooth dongle for my laptop. Works great :) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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                    I guess it's only sensible that not jus anyone can connect. How do you pair the devices? Is that done in the cellphone's menu? Paul ;)

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                      You have to pair the devices to get them to work together. I have bluetooth in my cell-phone, a bluetooth headset and an USB->bluetooth dongle for my laptop. Works great :) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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                      WOW! You got the bluetooth headset? How is it? I want one, but can't bring myself to spend the $125/USD to get one :( Btw, I got the Nokia 3650 just in case anyone cares. Code4Food ---- "There is no try; only do or do not" -Yoda

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                        I guess it's only sensible that not jus anyone can connect. How do you pair the devices? Is that done in the cellphone's menu? Paul ;)

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                        Paul van der Walt wrote: How do you pair the devices? Is that done in the cellphone's menu? First I tell the headset to advise itself, and then the phone to search for devices, then i enter the password for the headset and its done. After that they just work together. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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                          WOW! You got the bluetooth headset? How is it? I want one, but can't bring myself to spend the $125/USD to get one :( Btw, I got the Nokia 3650 just in case anyone cares. Code4Food ---- "There is no try; only do or do not" -Yoda

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                          Its great, the best headset I have ever had, and I love the missing wire ;) Code4Food wrote: Btw, I got the Nokia 3650 just in case anyone cares. I have a SonyEricsson T68i... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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                            Paul van der Walt wrote: How do you pair the devices? Is that done in the cellphone's menu? First I tell the headset to advise itself, and then the phone to search for devices, then i enter the password for the headset and its done. After that they just work together. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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                            Ah - I see. So that's pretty secure then. I was sort of wondering if it wasn't rather un-secure, but it seems okay. :-D Paul ;)

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                              Disclaimer: I'm not speaking from experience, because I don't own any Bluetooth devices. All the following is guesswork.


                              Since Bluetooth devices can aparrently so simply connect to any other Bluetooth devices within range, is it not conceivable that by "war-patrolling", say a train station, and find a person with a Bluetooth cellphone, and then with your Bluetooth PDA, dial up to the internet using someone else's phone? People probably wouldn't notice if their phone, which is presumably in their pocket, is being used by a person sitting next to them on a bench, or in a train - or am I totally wrong here? Comments please :-D Paul ;)

                              I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead. - Samuel Goldwyn

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                              The default should be that any connection must be authenticated and authorized to continue. The first connection between any two devices must be authenticated; a password must be typed and the devices are paired. Any next connection can be set to be authorized first. For example, if I want to use the dialup profile on my Nokia 6310 with my iPAQ with bluetooth (BT), my Nokia would ask if the connection is allowed (authorization); I can't have the Internet Explorer on the iPAQ calling to my ISP unwanted as soon as I display an incomplete HTML page. However, when BT made its debut, some phones allowed initial BT connection without authentication and authorization. Ouch. When I'm at the movies, I'd like to scan for BT devices, just being curious to see who's using BT and what device... And I bet I'll find a poor sob some day that has no security set... Although BT is the promise for short range inter device connection, there are still implementation differences among manufacturers, causing connection problems or failures. But so far, I can use ActiveSync to sync my iPAQ with my laptop with BT USB dongle and use my Nokia 6310 for dialing up. :cool: VictorV

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                                The default should be that any connection must be authenticated and authorized to continue. The first connection between any two devices must be authenticated; a password must be typed and the devices are paired. Any next connection can be set to be authorized first. For example, if I want to use the dialup profile on my Nokia 6310 with my iPAQ with bluetooth (BT), my Nokia would ask if the connection is allowed (authorization); I can't have the Internet Explorer on the iPAQ calling to my ISP unwanted as soon as I display an incomplete HTML page. However, when BT made its debut, some phones allowed initial BT connection without authentication and authorization. Ouch. When I'm at the movies, I'd like to scan for BT devices, just being curious to see who's using BT and what device... And I bet I'll find a poor sob some day that has no security set... Although BT is the promise for short range inter device connection, there are still implementation differences among manufacturers, causing connection problems or failures. But so far, I can use ActiveSync to sync my iPAQ with my laptop with BT USB dongle and use my Nokia 6310 for dialing up. :cool: VictorV

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                                Wow - thanks for the detailed explanation :cool: Now I know how that all actually works... Guess it's time to save up for a BT PDA, huh? :-D Paul ;)

                                I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead. - Samuel Goldwyn

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