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  • C Christian Graus

    So last Tuesday was a public holiday. I'd usually try to work but I have no work so I didn't think I could. My boss gave me a hard time for not working. Today I gave a weeks notice and she said I finish tomorrow. She told my agency they won't honour my contract because of my unprofessionalism. They'll see how unprofessional I am when they ask for their notebook back

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    All of my reviews over the years have been nothing but praise, except for two. Sometimes you come across those people who you just cannot please no matter what you do. Those reviews stand out in otherwise exceptional work. They say more about those managers than they will ever say about you.

    Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles. Dave Kreskowiak

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      All of my reviews over the years have been nothing but praise, except for two. Sometimes you come across those people who you just cannot please no matter what you do. Those reviews stand out in otherwise exceptional work. They say more about those managers than they will ever say about you.

      Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles. Dave Kreskowiak

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      Christian Graus
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      Yeah this has never happened to me . I feel a bit shell shocked

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        All of my reviews over the years have been nothing but praise, except for two. Sometimes you come across those people who you just cannot please no matter what you do. Those reviews stand out in otherwise exceptional work. They say more about those managers than they will ever say about you.

        Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles. Dave Kreskowiak

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        Christian Graus
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        Yeah this has never happened to me . I feel a bit shell shocked...

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        • C Christian Graus

          So last Tuesday was a public holiday. I'd usually try to work but I have no work so I didn't think I could. My boss gave me a hard time for not working. Today I gave a weeks notice and she said I finish tomorrow. She told my agency they won't honour my contract because of my unprofessionalism. They'll see how unprofessional I am when they ask for their notebook back

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          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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          I maybe do not understsnd but why should you inform anyone that you do not work on a public holiday? Isn't it the default? I think that it is actually against the law to expect it...

          "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

          "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

            I maybe do not understsnd but why should you inform anyone that you do not work on a public holiday? Isn't it the default? I think that it is actually against the law to expect it...

            "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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            Christian Graus
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            Correct, I worked one before and had to talk to my agency about it.

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            • C Christian Graus

              So last Tuesday was a public holiday. I'd usually try to work but I have no work so I didn't think I could. My boss gave me a hard time for not working. Today I gave a weeks notice and she said I finish tomorrow. She told my agency they won't honour my contract because of my unprofessionalism. They'll see how unprofessional I am when they ask for their notebook back

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              MarkTJohnson
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              Finish what? I thought they weren't giving you anything to do. How do you know you've finished doing nothing?

              I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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              • C Christian Graus

                So last Tuesday was a public holiday. I'd usually try to work but I have no work so I didn't think I could. My boss gave me a hard time for not working. Today I gave a weeks notice and she said I finish tomorrow. She told my agency they won't honour my contract because of my unprofessionalism. They'll see how unprofessional I am when they ask for their notebook back

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                obermd
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                Wipe the notebook and then return it. Don't keep it as that could be considered theft.

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                • C Christian Graus

                  So last Tuesday was a public holiday. I'd usually try to work but I have no work so I didn't think I could. My boss gave me a hard time for not working. Today I gave a weeks notice and she said I finish tomorrow. She told my agency they won't honour my contract because of my unprofessionalism. They'll see how unprofessional I am when they ask for their notebook back

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                  Petty and $itchy. I'd wager that if you read your contract, there isn't squat in their about professionalism. That would be so subjective it'd be unenforceable.

                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                    Finish what? I thought they weren't giving you anything to do. How do you know you've finished doing nothing?

                    I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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                    Christian Graus
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                    I need to hand in my notebook today and in theory not book time from today

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                    • O obermd

                      Wipe the notebook and then return it. Don't keep it as that could be considered theft.

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                      Christian Graus
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                      Of course I'll return it lol. I was a bit shitty but I'll be fully compliant then insist they honor the contract and pay me

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                        Petty and $itchy. I'd wager that if you read your contract, there isn't squat in their about professionalism. That would be so subjective it'd be unenforceable.

                        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                        Christian Graus
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                        My agency said the same.. They could refuse to pay me for gross misconduct, but not for documenting their it dept is useless

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                        • C Christian Graus

                          So last Tuesday was a public holiday. I'd usually try to work but I have no work so I didn't think I could. My boss gave me a hard time for not working. Today I gave a weeks notice and she said I finish tomorrow. She told my agency they won't honour my contract because of my unprofessionalism. They'll see how unprofessional I am when they ask for their notebook back

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                          All of that is a bit odd. Based on the US legal situation... A contract usually requires that the contractor work when they want. There was actually at least one legal court case in the US years ago where it was determined that requiring specific hours was a determinate in whether a worker was an employee versus a contractor. An employer in the US is not allowed in quite a few cases to make a worker into a contractor just because they want to. If they could probably most fast food workers would be contractors. At least for me if I am working a contract then I would specifically tell them ahead of time about holidays. Probably at least two weeks that I would not be working a specific day. I do that because it seems polite, probably implicitly required by the contract and because I don't expect them to be working either. A contract of course should provide specifically how termination by either party is achieved. Not really much leeway. If it doesn't then I suspect immediate termination by either party is allowed. I have never heard of a contract which could not be immediately terminated for cause. For example negligence, criminal, abandonment, etc. But the cause would need to be named. I haven't worked anywhere ever where there was "no work". I remember working somewhere more than a decade ago where they were having difficulty coming up with requirements for the next release. I recall working on bugs, enhancing logging and looking into other improvements that I would not have had time for otherwise.

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                          I am when they ask for their notebook back

                          Certainly in the US that absolutely is not something one should do. Matter of fact with a contentious termination the contractor should video themselves putting it into a shipping box, video delivering it to the delivery service and require a signed receipt for delivery.

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                          • M MarkTJohnson

                            Finish what? I thought they weren't giving you anything to do. How do you know you've finished doing nothing?

                            I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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                            dandy72
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                            MarkTJohnson wrote:

                            How do you know you've finished doing nothing?

                            There's a little bit of it left? :-)

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                            • J jschell

                              All of that is a bit odd. Based on the US legal situation... A contract usually requires that the contractor work when they want. There was actually at least one legal court case in the US years ago where it was determined that requiring specific hours was a determinate in whether a worker was an employee versus a contractor. An employer in the US is not allowed in quite a few cases to make a worker into a contractor just because they want to. If they could probably most fast food workers would be contractors. At least for me if I am working a contract then I would specifically tell them ahead of time about holidays. Probably at least two weeks that I would not be working a specific day. I do that because it seems polite, probably implicitly required by the contract and because I don't expect them to be working either. A contract of course should provide specifically how termination by either party is achieved. Not really much leeway. If it doesn't then I suspect immediate termination by either party is allowed. I have never heard of a contract which could not be immediately terminated for cause. For example negligence, criminal, abandonment, etc. But the cause would need to be named. I haven't worked anywhere ever where there was "no work". I remember working somewhere more than a decade ago where they were having difficulty coming up with requirements for the next release. I recall working on bugs, enhancing logging and looking into other improvements that I would not have had time for otherwise.

                              Christian Graus wrote:

                              I am when they ask for their notebook back

                              Certainly in the US that absolutely is not something one should do. Matter of fact with a contentious termination the contractor should video themselves putting it into a shipping box, video delivering it to the delivery service and require a signed receipt for delivery.

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                              jschell wrote:

                              video themselves putting it into a shipping box, video delivering it to the delivery service and require a signed receipt for delivery.

                              ...and if they're paying for postage, remember to include a few bricks in the box. :-p

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                                All of that is a bit odd. Based on the US legal situation... A contract usually requires that the contractor work when they want. There was actually at least one legal court case in the US years ago where it was determined that requiring specific hours was a determinate in whether a worker was an employee versus a contractor. An employer in the US is not allowed in quite a few cases to make a worker into a contractor just because they want to. If they could probably most fast food workers would be contractors. At least for me if I am working a contract then I would specifically tell them ahead of time about holidays. Probably at least two weeks that I would not be working a specific day. I do that because it seems polite, probably implicitly required by the contract and because I don't expect them to be working either. A contract of course should provide specifically how termination by either party is achieved. Not really much leeway. If it doesn't then I suspect immediate termination by either party is allowed. I have never heard of a contract which could not be immediately terminated for cause. For example negligence, criminal, abandonment, etc. But the cause would need to be named. I haven't worked anywhere ever where there was "no work". I remember working somewhere more than a decade ago where they were having difficulty coming up with requirements for the next release. I recall working on bugs, enhancing logging and looking into other improvements that I would not have had time for otherwise.

                                Christian Graus wrote:

                                I am when they ask for their notebook back

                                Certainly in the US that absolutely is not something one should do. Matter of fact with a contentious termination the contractor should video themselves putting it into a shipping box, video delivering it to the delivery service and require a signed receipt for delivery.

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                                Christian Graus
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                                So we're talking about a public holiday. Had I worked it, I would have had to argue my case with my agency. My timesheet by default had the day blocked out

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