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  • C Christian Graus

    So last Tuesday was a public holiday. I'd usually try to work but I have no work so I didn't think I could. My boss gave me a hard time for not working. Today I gave a weeks notice and she said I finish tomorrow. She told my agency they won't honour my contract because of my unprofessionalism. They'll see how unprofessional I am when they ask for their notebook back

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    MarkTJohnson
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    Finish what? I thought they weren't giving you anything to do. How do you know you've finished doing nothing?

    I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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    • C Christian Graus

      So last Tuesday was a public holiday. I'd usually try to work but I have no work so I didn't think I could. My boss gave me a hard time for not working. Today I gave a weeks notice and she said I finish tomorrow. She told my agency they won't honour my contract because of my unprofessionalism. They'll see how unprofessional I am when they ask for their notebook back

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      obermd
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      Wipe the notebook and then return it. Don't keep it as that could be considered theft.

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      • C Christian Graus

        So last Tuesday was a public holiday. I'd usually try to work but I have no work so I didn't think I could. My boss gave me a hard time for not working. Today I gave a weeks notice and she said I finish tomorrow. She told my agency they won't honour my contract because of my unprofessionalism. They'll see how unprofessional I am when they ask for their notebook back

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        charlieg
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        Petty and $itchy. I'd wager that if you read your contract, there isn't squat in their about professionalism. That would be so subjective it'd be unenforceable.

        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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          Finish what? I thought they weren't giving you anything to do. How do you know you've finished doing nothing?

          I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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          Christian Graus
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          I need to hand in my notebook today and in theory not book time from today

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          • O obermd

            Wipe the notebook and then return it. Don't keep it as that could be considered theft.

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            Christian Graus
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            Of course I'll return it lol. I was a bit shitty but I'll be fully compliant then insist they honor the contract and pay me

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            • C charlieg

              Petty and $itchy. I'd wager that if you read your contract, there isn't squat in their about professionalism. That would be so subjective it'd be unenforceable.

              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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              Christian Graus
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              My agency said the same.. They could refuse to pay me for gross misconduct, but not for documenting their it dept is useless

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              • C Christian Graus

                So last Tuesday was a public holiday. I'd usually try to work but I have no work so I didn't think I could. My boss gave me a hard time for not working. Today I gave a weeks notice and she said I finish tomorrow. She told my agency they won't honour my contract because of my unprofessionalism. They'll see how unprofessional I am when they ask for their notebook back

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                jschell
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                All of that is a bit odd. Based on the US legal situation... A contract usually requires that the contractor work when they want. There was actually at least one legal court case in the US years ago where it was determined that requiring specific hours was a determinate in whether a worker was an employee versus a contractor. An employer in the US is not allowed in quite a few cases to make a worker into a contractor just because they want to. If they could probably most fast food workers would be contractors. At least for me if I am working a contract then I would specifically tell them ahead of time about holidays. Probably at least two weeks that I would not be working a specific day. I do that because it seems polite, probably implicitly required by the contract and because I don't expect them to be working either. A contract of course should provide specifically how termination by either party is achieved. Not really much leeway. If it doesn't then I suspect immediate termination by either party is allowed. I have never heard of a contract which could not be immediately terminated for cause. For example negligence, criminal, abandonment, etc. But the cause would need to be named. I haven't worked anywhere ever where there was "no work". I remember working somewhere more than a decade ago where they were having difficulty coming up with requirements for the next release. I recall working on bugs, enhancing logging and looking into other improvements that I would not have had time for otherwise.

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                I am when they ask for their notebook back

                Certainly in the US that absolutely is not something one should do. Matter of fact with a contentious termination the contractor should video themselves putting it into a shipping box, video delivering it to the delivery service and require a signed receipt for delivery.

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                • M MarkTJohnson

                  Finish what? I thought they weren't giving you anything to do. How do you know you've finished doing nothing?

                  I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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                  dandy72
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                  MarkTJohnson wrote:

                  How do you know you've finished doing nothing?

                  There's a little bit of it left? :-)

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                  • J jschell

                    All of that is a bit odd. Based on the US legal situation... A contract usually requires that the contractor work when they want. There was actually at least one legal court case in the US years ago where it was determined that requiring specific hours was a determinate in whether a worker was an employee versus a contractor. An employer in the US is not allowed in quite a few cases to make a worker into a contractor just because they want to. If they could probably most fast food workers would be contractors. At least for me if I am working a contract then I would specifically tell them ahead of time about holidays. Probably at least two weeks that I would not be working a specific day. I do that because it seems polite, probably implicitly required by the contract and because I don't expect them to be working either. A contract of course should provide specifically how termination by either party is achieved. Not really much leeway. If it doesn't then I suspect immediate termination by either party is allowed. I have never heard of a contract which could not be immediately terminated for cause. For example negligence, criminal, abandonment, etc. But the cause would need to be named. I haven't worked anywhere ever where there was "no work". I remember working somewhere more than a decade ago where they were having difficulty coming up with requirements for the next release. I recall working on bugs, enhancing logging and looking into other improvements that I would not have had time for otherwise.

                    Christian Graus wrote:

                    I am when they ask for their notebook back

                    Certainly in the US that absolutely is not something one should do. Matter of fact with a contentious termination the contractor should video themselves putting it into a shipping box, video delivering it to the delivery service and require a signed receipt for delivery.

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                    dandy72
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                    jschell wrote:

                    video themselves putting it into a shipping box, video delivering it to the delivery service and require a signed receipt for delivery.

                    ...and if they're paying for postage, remember to include a few bricks in the box. :-p

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                    • J jschell

                      All of that is a bit odd. Based on the US legal situation... A contract usually requires that the contractor work when they want. There was actually at least one legal court case in the US years ago where it was determined that requiring specific hours was a determinate in whether a worker was an employee versus a contractor. An employer in the US is not allowed in quite a few cases to make a worker into a contractor just because they want to. If they could probably most fast food workers would be contractors. At least for me if I am working a contract then I would specifically tell them ahead of time about holidays. Probably at least two weeks that I would not be working a specific day. I do that because it seems polite, probably implicitly required by the contract and because I don't expect them to be working either. A contract of course should provide specifically how termination by either party is achieved. Not really much leeway. If it doesn't then I suspect immediate termination by either party is allowed. I have never heard of a contract which could not be immediately terminated for cause. For example negligence, criminal, abandonment, etc. But the cause would need to be named. I haven't worked anywhere ever where there was "no work". I remember working somewhere more than a decade ago where they were having difficulty coming up with requirements for the next release. I recall working on bugs, enhancing logging and looking into other improvements that I would not have had time for otherwise.

                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      I am when they ask for their notebook back

                      Certainly in the US that absolutely is not something one should do. Matter of fact with a contentious termination the contractor should video themselves putting it into a shipping box, video delivering it to the delivery service and require a signed receipt for delivery.

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                      Christian Graus
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                      So we're talking about a public holiday. Had I worked it, I would have had to argue my case with my agency. My timesheet by default had the day blocked out

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