Call for a Professional Programmers' Association
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jochance wrote:
You misunderstand somewhere.
Yeah, that's nothing new.
jochance wrote:
I was advocating for there being NO mandatory licensing to the extent we create a protectorate organization to ensure it never happens.
We need something like a "degree" that confirms a minimum of knowledge. I would not trust any organization with that, as I could buy a degree.
jochance wrote:
What I was saying was that instead of some kind of barrier to entry with accreditation and licensure, we could really use some ethical oversight. I'm just of the bent that programmers messing up important code is probably less impactful than all the code they aren't messing up that we'd really rather wish they were (or weren't writing in the first place).
I'm paid, I do not do ethics. You're blaming me for failures, caused by deadlines promised by sales-department?
jochance wrote:
That might be the way some people operate. It is not how I operate.
Good for you. Most of us adapt to whomever pays for our service.
jochance wrote:
It's simply they do not need _me_ if the role is working a list of tasks someone else came up with. They're not leveraging me if I'm not substantially identifying and outlining the tasks which need to be completed
Good if you have that choice. I take what I can.
jochance wrote:
And definitely no, if you mean one of those tasks could be less than morally neutral.
Morally? Morals do not pay my rent. Kudo's to you if you are rich enough to refuse, but I can't. I take whatever presents - and I certainly will not lecture any potential employer with "morals"; they play the game for profit, not morals. On occasion, I have broken the law, since I was instructed and paid to do so. Moral, ethics, means nothing. Are you advocating now for a certified minimum in knowledge, or ethics? If the latter, then I have some bankers you might want to talk to first :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Morally? Morals do not pay my rent. Kudo's to you if you are rich enough to refuse, but I can't. I take whatever presents - and I certainly will not lecture any potential employer with "morals"; they play the game for profit, not morals. ... Moral, ethics, means nothing.
In retrospect, then, going back to your original question... Yes, I do want you out. Actually, folks with that mindset can all hit the heliosphere. :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Morally? Morals do not pay my rent. Kudo's to you if you are rich enough to refuse, but I can't. I take whatever presents - and I certainly will not lecture any potential employer with "morals"; they play the game for profit, not morals. ... Moral, ethics, means nothing.
In retrospect, then, going back to your original question... Yes, I do want you out. Actually, folks with that mindset can all hit the heliosphere. :)
jochance wrote:
Yes, I do want you out
I respect you for that.
jochance wrote:
Actually, folks with that mindset can all hit the heliosphere.
Sheep always wish the wolves be out. But without sheep, a wolf is a problem, innit?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.