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New York Times sues Microsoft and OpenAI

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  • J jschell

    Gary Stachelski 2021 wrote:

    the laws surrounding unjust or unlawful enrichment are tricky.

    Follow up on actual video (CNN?) suggested that NYT provided an 'example' which was a post where a real person could not find anything so they used a AI which responded with the first three paragraphs of an existing article. Now one might say that is problematic. But any standard paywall is likely going to do something similar. Only alternative with a paywall is either to use only the headline or to provide a synopsis for every article. The user/reader, if they wanted to see the entire article, would still need to access NYT. So at least with that example I am not convinced where the problem lies.

    Gary Stachelski 2021 wrote:

    nothing stopping you from studying the NYT article style

    Nothing I have seen suggests that has anything to do with it. The problem is content in everything that I have seen.

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    Here is an article that just came out that sheds more light on NYT suit. One thing that I did not consider is that AI responses often hallucinate (fabricate) results and in some of the NYT examples a GPT model completely fabricated an article that it claimed that the NYT published on January 10, 2020 titled "Study Finds Possible Link between Orange Juice and Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma", The NYT never published such an article. Other examples show a mix of fact and fabricated info. Never thought about that aspect of AI responses. NY Times sues Open AI, Microsoft over copyright infringement | Ars Technica[^]

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      Here is an article that just came out that sheds more light on NYT suit. One thing that I did not consider is that AI responses often hallucinate (fabricate) results and in some of the NYT examples a GPT model completely fabricated an article that it claimed that the NYT published on January 10, 2020 titled "Study Finds Possible Link between Orange Juice and Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma", The NYT never published such an article. Other examples show a mix of fact and fabricated info. Never thought about that aspect of AI responses. NY Times sues Open AI, Microsoft over copyright infringement | Ars Technica[^]

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      But I doubt that is actionable. Not in this suit. Their current claim is about how it is using the data it collected. Obviously this demonstrates something it didn't collect. Not to mention they would also need to prove that what they publish is a standard in truth telling and thus this would hurt them. But following as an example suggests otherwise. What the New York Times UFO Report Actually Reveals[^]

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        But I doubt that is actionable. Not in this suit. Their current claim is about how it is using the data it collected. Obviously this demonstrates something it didn't collect. Not to mention they would also need to prove that what they publish is a standard in truth telling and thus this would hurt them. But following as an example suggests otherwise. What the New York Times UFO Report Actually Reveals[^]

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        Lol, so true, so true.

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        • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

          I can see a slew of lawsuits on the horizon, but will you be able to trace who created the AI or did it create itself and it that case??

          As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness". PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.3.0 JaxCoder.com Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate

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          Another example: FTC offers $25,000 prize for detecting AI-enabled voice cloning FTC offers $25,000 prize for detecting AI-enabled voice cloning[^]

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            Another example: FTC offers $25,000 prize for detecting AI-enabled voice cloning FTC offers $25,000 prize for detecting AI-enabled voice cloning[^]

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            Could you not us AI to detect? :)

            As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness". PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.3.0 JaxCoder.com Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate

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            • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

              Could you not us AI to detect? :)

              As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness". PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.3.0 JaxCoder.com Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate

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              Perhaps - but this could be a challenge :java:

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