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  • K k5054

    Weather channel says it's currently -37C, feels like -45. The local airport shows a temp of -44C with a wind chill of -54. Not a day for T-shirt and shorts ...

    "A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" Chuckles the clown

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    dandy72
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    Not to turn this into a political discussion...but here's what I still don't get about climate change. People will use this as "proof" (ahem) Earth isn't getting any warmer. So the global warmites say this isn't how it works...weather isn't climate. Warm places will get warmer. Cold places will get colder. It's an amplification thing. Yet they insist the Arctic being ice-free is gonna be a normal occurrence. Well, which is it? The Arctic is cold. If it's gonna colder, it's not gonna become ice-free. But if it's then supposed to become warmer, what about that amplification effect? Does that really sound like "settled science"? Does that make me a denier?

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      -37C, feels like -45. please elaborate on feels like it is either -37 or -45 IMHO

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      jschell
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      Salvatore Terress wrote:

      it is either -37 or -45 IMHO

      IMHO it is not. 120F in Las Vegas is very different than 120F (or even 105F) in Tampa Bay. And I would much rather be in -5F with a 20 mph wind in the mountains of Colorado than I would be for the same in NYC.

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        Not to turn this into a political discussion...but here's what I still don't get about climate change. People will use this as "proof" (ahem) Earth isn't getting any warmer. So the global warmites say this isn't how it works...weather isn't climate. Warm places will get warmer. Cold places will get colder. It's an amplification thing. Yet they insist the Arctic being ice-free is gonna be a normal occurrence. Well, which is it? The Arctic is cold. If it's gonna colder, it's not gonna become ice-free. But if it's then supposed to become warmer, what about that amplification effect? Does that really sound like "settled science"? Does that make me a denier?

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        dandy72 wrote:

        Does that make me a denier?

        Not at all. Science has always been questioning about what we think we know about the universe and trying to come up with answers that reliably explain it. Climate is messy. But the general consensus is that the earth is going through a warming period, and the most likely candidate for the change is the rise in CO2 due to human activity. Human activity also leads to a rise in pollutants in the atmosphere, and that contributes to a phenomenon known as [Global dimming - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global\_dimming). I don't think I've ever seen anything about how the two might be affecting each other. Then there's the theory that if arctic ice continues melting, that will reduce the salinity of the North Atlantic, which will affect ocean currents, as a result of which the Gulf Stream will cease to bring warm water northward. The result of that would be a global ice-age. So there's a lot of contradictory information out there. It seems to me, that many of the theories about what's going on tend to be a bit "isolationist". That is they only look at what's occurring in that one specific area (e.g. global dimming), without considering how other factors might affect the entire system. Trying to get one's head around everything, and how they all interrelate, is certainly outside my comprehension level.

        "A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" Chuckles the clown

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        • K k5054

          Weather channel says it's currently -37C, feels like -45. The local airport shows a temp of -44C with a wind chill of -54. Not a day for T-shirt and shorts ...

          "A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" Chuckles the clown

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          rnbergren
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          in my day sonny, we programmed in the snow with our bare hands in minus 55. HAHA Actually that sound freakin cold. and this is way I like my office job. I really feel for those people who have to work outside in this weather. ( I greatly appreciate them doing their jobs as well )

          To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer

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            in my day sonny, we programmed in the snow with our bare hands in minus 55. HAHA Actually that sound freakin cold. and this is way I like my office job. I really feel for those people who have to work outside in this weather. ( I greatly appreciate them doing their jobs as well )

            To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer

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            k5054
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            Even better if, like me, you work from home. A 5 second commute in whatever you feel like wearing today. For some reason, your opening sentence reminded me of Alan Turing and working with mercury delay line (MDL) memory. Turing was all about efficiency, and his programs could figure out how long it would take for the MDL to return data, and would continue working on other things until the data was ready. Sort of a (very) early co-routine. Truly an amazing mind.

            "A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" Chuckles the clown

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            • K k5054

              Weather channel says it's currently -37C, feels like -45. The local airport shows a temp of -44C with a wind chill of -54. Not a day for T-shirt and shorts ...

              "A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" Chuckles the clown

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              Roger Wright
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              My condolences! It's a chilly 67°F and sunny here.

              Will Rogers never met me.

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              • K k5054

                Weather channel says it's currently -37C, feels like -45. The local airport shows a temp of -44C with a wind chill of -54. Not a day for T-shirt and shorts ...

                "A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" Chuckles the clown

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                Pardon my curiosity :-) ... is -37C "normal" in Canada now ?

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                  Pardon my curiosity :-) ... is -37C "normal" in Canada now ?

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                  In this part of the Canada (Edmonton AB), it's not unknown. I seem to recall that as a teenager, we would see -40 most winters. Now, it seems that -35 is more common. Of course, as you go farther north it can get much colder.

                  "A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" Chuckles the clown

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                  • K k5054

                    In this part of the Canada (Edmonton AB), it's not unknown. I seem to recall that as a teenager, we would see -40 most winters. Now, it seems that -35 is more common. Of course, as you go farther north it can get much colder.

                    "A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" Chuckles the clown

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                    That is quite far away from any ocean or major lake, isn't it? I grew up in an inland town in Norway. The winter air was so dry that you saw humidifiers in ever home. We hardly knew what wind felt like (except when skiing down a hill :-)). We didn't consider it 'real winter' until the temperature dropped below -20C. Now I am living in a costal town. The air is usually quite humid, the winds can be strong, and most snow falls when temperature is around freezing, so it is wet and heavy. I am freezing much more here, at 0C, that I did in my home town at -20C. Wind and humidity has a tremendous impact on how cold it feels. The "wind chill factor" is very real for how you feel the cold. (Right now, the weather service reports -11C in my place, but due to the wind it "feels like -18C". I am not used to -40C, though. We rarely had below -30C in my childhood. Even at -30C we were out romping in the snow. Chilly, sure. But 'cold'? Not if you were properly dressed. We knew how to dress up, and how to behave in the cold. The biggest danger is not the cold in itself, but not knowing how to handle it. Shipping a Florida man to Edmonton at -40 should be done with care :-) but I have no worries about Canadian natives.

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                      That is quite far away from any ocean or major lake, isn't it? I grew up in an inland town in Norway. The winter air was so dry that you saw humidifiers in ever home. We hardly knew what wind felt like (except when skiing down a hill :-)). We didn't consider it 'real winter' until the temperature dropped below -20C. Now I am living in a costal town. The air is usually quite humid, the winds can be strong, and most snow falls when temperature is around freezing, so it is wet and heavy. I am freezing much more here, at 0C, that I did in my home town at -20C. Wind and humidity has a tremendous impact on how cold it feels. The "wind chill factor" is very real for how you feel the cold. (Right now, the weather service reports -11C in my place, but due to the wind it "feels like -18C". I am not used to -40C, though. We rarely had below -30C in my childhood. Even at -30C we were out romping in the snow. Chilly, sure. But 'cold'? Not if you were properly dressed. We knew how to dress up, and how to behave in the cold. The biggest danger is not the cold in itself, but not knowing how to handle it. Shipping a Florida man to Edmonton at -40 should be done with care :-) but I have no worries about Canadian natives.

                      Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                      trønderen wrote:

                      Not if you were properly dressed

                      So like Ralph from Christmas Story? I Can't Put My Arms Down! | A Christmas Story | TBS - YouTube[^]

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