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  • C Chris Maunder

    Is it just me or is it time to have an intervention and get everyone to stop placing exclamation marks after every status update. "Error occurred!", "Update complete!", "You pressed a button!!!1!". Enough. Please!

    cheers Chris Maunder

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    honey the codewitch
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    In my defense, I rarely use exclamation marks unless I am either joking or having an exceptional moment for some reason. My post here qualified as the latter. As you know, I normally have no trouble finding the gumption to write an article. :laugh: It kind of shocked me that I was having so much trouble.

    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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    • C Chris Maunder

      Is it just me or is it time to have an intervention and get everyone to stop placing exclamation marks after every status update. "Error occurred!", "Update complete!", "You pressed a button!!!1!". Enough. Please!

      cheers Chris Maunder

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      I agree! I think that an exclamation point in a yellow triangle is enough for a warning type of message. There is no reason to also have one in the text. Worse, I recently encountered a website which implored me to "Log in!" Such effusiveness made me much less enthusiastic about doing so. If the user experience is that bad, the code must be horrible.

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      • C Chris Maunder

        Is it just me or is it time to have an intervention and get everyone to stop placing exclamation marks after every status update. "Error occurred!", "Update complete!", "You pressed a button!!!1!". Enough. Please!

        cheers Chris Maunder

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        trønderen
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        The first version of any text I write is full of noise words, such as 'but', 'however', 'very', and various superfluous punctuation such as dashes, diareses and exclamation marks. I have a list of such elements, and before any sort of 'official' publication of the text, I work through it to remove all that noise, as well as simplifying sentence structure. Sometimes several cleaning rounds are required. For informal forum such as CP I never bother to dig up the complete list, but I always read my message trough from top to bottom before clicking 'Post Message', removing unnecessary words and exclamation marks. When I see 3+ exclamation marks in a single paragraph, or 2+ !? together, my intuitive reaction is: The writer is probably 14 or younger.

        Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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          The first version of any text I write is full of noise words, such as 'but', 'however', 'very', and various superfluous punctuation such as dashes, diareses and exclamation marks. I have a list of such elements, and before any sort of 'official' publication of the text, I work through it to remove all that noise, as well as simplifying sentence structure. Sometimes several cleaning rounds are required. For informal forum such as CP I never bother to dig up the complete list, but I always read my message trough from top to bottom before clicking 'Post Message', removing unnecessary words and exclamation marks. When I see 3+ exclamation marks in a single paragraph, or 2+ !? together, my intuitive reaction is: The writer is probably 14 or younger.

          Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          trønderen wrote:

          diareses

          Or maybe ellipsises...?

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            trønderen wrote:

            diareses

            Or maybe ellipsises...?

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            trønderen
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            Of course ... :-) (it is late at night in Norway right now)

            Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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            • T trønderen

              Of course ... :-) (it is late at night in Norway right now)

              Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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              PIEBALDconsult
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              Isn't it always night during January in Norway?

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                The first version of any text I write is full of noise words, such as 'but', 'however', 'very', and various superfluous punctuation such as dashes, diareses and exclamation marks. I have a list of such elements, and before any sort of 'official' publication of the text, I work through it to remove all that noise, as well as simplifying sentence structure. Sometimes several cleaning rounds are required. For informal forum such as CP I never bother to dig up the complete list, but I always read my message trough from top to bottom before clicking 'Post Message', removing unnecessary words and exclamation marks. When I see 3+ exclamation marks in a single paragraph, or 2+ !? together, my intuitive reaction is: The writer is probably 14 or younger.

                Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                I always read my message trough Trough !

                In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  Is it just me or is it time to have an intervention and get everyone to stop placing exclamation marks after every status update. "Error occurred!", "Update complete!", "You pressed a button!!!1!". Enough. Please!

                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                  Sander Rossel
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                  I know a programmer who just loves exclamation marks. He'd used to do things like: MessageBox.Show("An error occurred!!!") Very unprofessional.

                  Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                  • T trønderen

                    Of course ... :-) (it is late at night in Norway right now)

                    Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                    Ignore the critics, you still write better (and clearer) English than most native speakers.

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                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                      I know a programmer who just loves exclamation marks. He'd used to do things like: MessageBox.Show("An error occurred!!!") Very unprofessional.

                      Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                      Terry Pratchett - "Eric":

                      "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind."

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        Is it just me or is it time to have an intervention and get everyone to stop placing exclamation marks after every status update. "Error occurred!", "Update complete!", "You pressed a button!!!1!". Enough. Please!

                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                        I used to add exclamation marks in error logs to quickly analyze them with BareTail :D One exclamation mark would trigger the highlighting in yellow, two highlight in red, [OK] in green.

                        GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          Is it just me or is it time to have an intervention and get everyone to stop placing exclamation marks after every status update. "Error occurred!", "Update complete!", "You pressed a button!!!1!". Enough. Please!

                          cheers Chris Maunder

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                          Jeremy Falcon
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                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                          You pressed a button!!!1!

                          Real talk, my mom used to always let go of the shift key when using exclamation marks and did that on accident. So, I spent several years doing that intentionally everywhere, as a joke. :-\

                          Jeremy Falcon

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                          • C Chris Maunder

                            Is it just me or is it time to have an intervention and get everyone to stop placing exclamation marks after every status update. "Error occurred!", "Update complete!", "You pressed a button!!!1!". Enough. Please!

                            cheers Chris Maunder

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                            jeron1
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                            Wasn't there a Seinfeld episode involving exclamation points?

                            "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                            • P PIEBALDconsult

                              I agree! I think that an exclamation point in a yellow triangle is enough for a warning type of message. There is no reason to also have one in the text. Worse, I recently encountered a website which implored me to "Log in!" Such effusiveness made me much less enthusiastic about doing so. If the user experience is that bad, the code must be horrible.

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                              PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                              website which implored me to "Log in!" Such effusiveness made me much less enthusiastic about doing so. If the user experience is that bad, the code must be horrible.

                              To me the message that gets conveyed is that the developer of said login feature was surprised he got it working at all, and just felt like sharing.

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                                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                website which implored me to "Log in!" Such effusiveness made me much less enthusiastic about doing so. If the user experience is that bad, the code must be horrible.

                                To me the message that gets conveyed is that the developer of said login feature was surprised he got it working at all, and just felt like sharing.

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                                PIEBALDconsult
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                                Or maybe gets paid per login?

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                                  Chris Maunder wrote:

                                  You pressed a button!!!1!

                                  Real talk, my mom used to always let go of the shift key when using exclamation marks and did that on accident. So, I spent several years doing that intentionally everywhere, as a joke. :-\

                                  Jeremy Falcon

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                                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                  So, I spent several years doing that intentionally everywhere, as a joke. :-\

                                  ...and then there's the meme where someone will actually spell out "one" in the middle of one of those, as if it could happen by accident. OMG!!!!1!!one!!

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                                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                                    Isn't it always night during January in Norway?

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                                    trønderen
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                                    As of today, I would call it full daylight from around 08:00 to around 16:00. That is in middle Norway, at 63°N. Norway spans from roughly 58 to 71 degrees, so it varies greatly. We do not have midnight sun in summer where I live! (That is only north of 66°33'N.) One significant difference from places further south: We have extremely long dawn and evening hours (the plural 's' in 'hours' is significant!). So you can never really tell the exact start and end of the day. You can of course go by sunrise/sunset, but it is light long before and long after, enough to read the newspaper without using artificial light. (News_paper_, that is! News webpages are readable even in pitch darkness :-).)

                                    Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                                    • pkfoxP pkfox

                                      I always read my message trough Trough !

                                      In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                                      trønderen
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                                      :-) I wrote that message at 02:00 at night; I wasn't completely awake.

                                      Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                                        As of today, I would call it full daylight from around 08:00 to around 16:00. That is in middle Norway, at 63°N. Norway spans from roughly 58 to 71 degrees, so it varies greatly. We do not have midnight sun in summer where I live! (That is only north of 66°33'N.) One significant difference from places further south: We have extremely long dawn and evening hours (the plural 's' in 'hours' is significant!). So you can never really tell the exact start and end of the day. You can of course go by sunrise/sunset, but it is light long before and long after, enough to read the newspaper without using artificial light. (News_paper_, that is! News webpages are readable even in pitch darkness :-).)

                                        Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        trønderen wrote:

                                        News webpages are readable even in pitch darkness

                                        Where they belong.

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                                        • C Chris Maunder

                                          Is it just me or is it time to have an intervention and get everyone to stop placing exclamation marks after every status update. "Error occurred!", "Update complete!", "You pressed a button!!!1!". Enough. Please!

                                          cheers Chris Maunder

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                                          PIEBALDconsult
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                                          Says the guy whose own site says, "Submit your solution!"

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