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    From CP newsletter I thought software subscriptions were a ripoff until I did the math | ZDNET[^] It uses a couple examples to show why subscription software is better than buying a stand alone at a one time cost. But the cost isn't why I buy stand alone. I look at the following reasons. - It must continue to work regardless of how long I keep the computer. - It must work even if the internet is not working. - If I cannot afford to pay for a new computer in the future then I can't pay for a subscription either. - There should be no possibility that my work will disappear. Related to the above, but one can also look to cases like kindle where books that had been bought suddenly disappeared from the device.

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      From CP newsletter I thought software subscriptions were a ripoff until I did the math | ZDNET[^] It uses a couple examples to show why subscription software is better than buying a stand alone at a one time cost. But the cost isn't why I buy stand alone. I look at the following reasons. - It must continue to work regardless of how long I keep the computer. - It must work even if the internet is not working. - If I cannot afford to pay for a new computer in the future then I can't pay for a subscription either. - There should be no possibility that my work will disappear. Related to the above, but one can also look to cases like kindle where books that had been bought suddenly disappeared from the device.

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      A subscription might be OK for people who rely on something every day, particularly for making money and having access to all the latest features. I don't. One example is Photoshop -- I bought Photoshop v7 back in 2002 and I still use it on occasion. How much would I have spent if I had been paying for a subscription all that time? I certainly don't need most of its features. It works for my needs.

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        A subscription might be OK for people who rely on something every day, particularly for making money and having access to all the latest features. I don't. One example is Photoshop -- I bought Photoshop v7 back in 2002 and I still use it on occasion. How much would I have spent if I had been paying for a subscription all that time? I certainly don't need most of its features. It works for my needs.

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        PIEBALDconsult wrote:

        One example is Photoshop

        Good example, I bought the last version that was not subscription and I use it occasionally, but definitely not enough to justify subscription.

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          A subscription might be OK for people who rely on something every day, particularly for making money and having access to all the latest features. I don't. One example is Photoshop -- I bought Photoshop v7 back in 2002 and I still use it on occasion. How much would I have spent if I had been paying for a subscription all that time? I certainly don't need most of its features. It works for my needs.

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          The same could be said for web newspapers: Over the years, there must be at least two hundred web newspapers/magazines that have told me that if I only sign up for a subscription (which, experience shows, may be very hard to have terminated), they will let me read that article someone linked to. I am not going to pay for two hundred different web publications, reading on the average one or two articles a year in each of them. My ideal payment method, both for web publication articles and for software, would be a voucher / ticket based system: I would go to a ticket office to deposit to my account the pay for, say, 50 general vouchers/tickets. Whenever I want to read an article in publication X, I would ask the ticket office: Give me one of my 50 paid-for tickets, marked for publication X, for me to show so that I can read that article I want to see. If that ticket was for the X web site in general, not for just the one article, but valid for, say, 8 hours or 24 hours access, I might discover other articles that would make me later return, again and again. After a while I might realize that a regular subscription would be cheaper than 8- or 24 hour single tickets. Similar for ticket based software use: If a software house would, through a ticket office (hopefully, a lot of software houses would come together for a common ticket office) sell me a 24-hour or maybe a 1-week ticket for a specific software suite, or maybe for any software from a given software house, I could pay according to my use. If 365 single-day tickets cost ten times as much as one year regular subscription: Fine with me. If I use the software more than 36 days a year, I can switch to a regular yearly subscription. I would like such a ticket based system even if the ticket office handled only one large software vendor (MS, say) as long as I could ask for a 'cheap' ticket for one single application, or a more expensive and comprehensive ticket for a software suite (such as MS Office), all from the same account, paying for the use of different tools in the same 'currency'. It would of course be great if many software houses would agree on a common ticket office, a single 'currency'. The software to implement such a system is more or less readily available - the Kerberos would need minimal modifications to do the job (maybe a little bit in the Ticket Granting service, both for accepting deposits to each account and for forwarding payments to the software houses according to the tickets issued). Each application would have to be

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            A subscription might be OK for people who rely on something every day, particularly for making money and having access to all the latest features. I don't. One example is Photoshop -- I bought Photoshop v7 back in 2002 and I still use it on occasion. How much would I have spent if I had been paying for a subscription all that time? I certainly don't need most of its features. It works for my needs.

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            Or Paint.NET and get updates at any price you want to pay.

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              The same could be said for web newspapers: Over the years, there must be at least two hundred web newspapers/magazines that have told me that if I only sign up for a subscription (which, experience shows, may be very hard to have terminated), they will let me read that article someone linked to. I am not going to pay for two hundred different web publications, reading on the average one or two articles a year in each of them. My ideal payment method, both for web publication articles and for software, would be a voucher / ticket based system: I would go to a ticket office to deposit to my account the pay for, say, 50 general vouchers/tickets. Whenever I want to read an article in publication X, I would ask the ticket office: Give me one of my 50 paid-for tickets, marked for publication X, for me to show so that I can read that article I want to see. If that ticket was for the X web site in general, not for just the one article, but valid for, say, 8 hours or 24 hours access, I might discover other articles that would make me later return, again and again. After a while I might realize that a regular subscription would be cheaper than 8- or 24 hour single tickets. Similar for ticket based software use: If a software house would, through a ticket office (hopefully, a lot of software houses would come together for a common ticket office) sell me a 24-hour or maybe a 1-week ticket for a specific software suite, or maybe for any software from a given software house, I could pay according to my use. If 365 single-day tickets cost ten times as much as one year regular subscription: Fine with me. If I use the software more than 36 days a year, I can switch to a regular yearly subscription. I would like such a ticket based system even if the ticket office handled only one large software vendor (MS, say) as long as I could ask for a 'cheap' ticket for one single application, or a more expensive and comprehensive ticket for a software suite (such as MS Office), all from the same account, paying for the use of different tools in the same 'currency'. It would of course be great if many software houses would agree on a common ticket office, a single 'currency'. The software to implement such a system is more or less readily available - the Kerberos would need minimal modifications to do the job (maybe a little bit in the Ticket Granting service, both for accepting deposits to each account and for forwarding payments to the software houses according to the tickets issued). Each application would have to be

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              Yeah, I have thought something similar many times. In my case was with the example of a fitness studio. Numbers not real, just as example Fee for one day only access = 20€ 10x one day access fee (not limited to a month) = 150€ Monthly fee for unlimited access = 300€ This method could be applied to many, many online (and even offline) things.

              M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                From CP newsletter I thought software subscriptions were a ripoff until I did the math | ZDNET[^] It uses a couple examples to show why subscription software is better than buying a stand alone at a one time cost. But the cost isn't why I buy stand alone. I look at the following reasons. - It must continue to work regardless of how long I keep the computer. - It must work even if the internet is not working. - If I cannot afford to pay for a new computer in the future then I can't pay for a subscription either. - There should be no possibility that my work will disappear. Related to the above, but one can also look to cases like kindle where books that had been bought suddenly disappeared from the device.

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                Quote:

                look to cases like kindle where books that had been bought suddenly disappeared from the device.

                Wow, this one scares me a bit :-) ... I have perhaps 80 books in my Kindle on Windows 10. I hope they are safe ...

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                  look to cases like kindle where books that had been bought suddenly disappeared from the device.

                  Wow, this one scares me a bit :-) ... I have perhaps 80 books in my Kindle on Windows 10. I hope they are safe ...

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                  Check calibre - E-book management[^]. I have a few hundred books that I shuffle in and out of my Kindle.

                  Mircea

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                    Check calibre - E-book management[^]. I have a few hundred books that I shuffle in and out of my Kindle.

                    Mircea

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                    OK, thanks ... I will check A few hours later ... :-): - I had a quick look and I will certainly give it a try, thank you again :thumbsup:

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                      OK, thanks ... I will check A few hours later ... :-): - I had a quick look and I will certainly give it a try, thank you again :thumbsup:

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                      My pleasure!

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                        The same could be said for web newspapers: Over the years, there must be at least two hundred web newspapers/magazines that have told me that if I only sign up for a subscription (which, experience shows, may be very hard to have terminated), they will let me read that article someone linked to. I am not going to pay for two hundred different web publications, reading on the average one or two articles a year in each of them. My ideal payment method, both for web publication articles and for software, would be a voucher / ticket based system: I would go to a ticket office to deposit to my account the pay for, say, 50 general vouchers/tickets. Whenever I want to read an article in publication X, I would ask the ticket office: Give me one of my 50 paid-for tickets, marked for publication X, for me to show so that I can read that article I want to see. If that ticket was for the X web site in general, not for just the one article, but valid for, say, 8 hours or 24 hours access, I might discover other articles that would make me later return, again and again. After a while I might realize that a regular subscription would be cheaper than 8- or 24 hour single tickets. Similar for ticket based software use: If a software house would, through a ticket office (hopefully, a lot of software houses would come together for a common ticket office) sell me a 24-hour or maybe a 1-week ticket for a specific software suite, or maybe for any software from a given software house, I could pay according to my use. If 365 single-day tickets cost ten times as much as one year regular subscription: Fine with me. If I use the software more than 36 days a year, I can switch to a regular yearly subscription. I would like such a ticket based system even if the ticket office handled only one large software vendor (MS, say) as long as I could ask for a 'cheap' ticket for one single application, or a more expensive and comprehensive ticket for a software suite (such as MS Office), all from the same account, paying for the use of different tools in the same 'currency'. It would of course be great if many software houses would agree on a common ticket office, a single 'currency'. The software to implement such a system is more or less readily available - the Kerberos would need minimal modifications to do the job (maybe a little bit in the Ticket Granting service, both for accepting deposits to each account and for forwarding payments to the software houses according to the tickets issued). Each application would have to be

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                        trønderen wrote:

                        would be a voucher / ticket based system:

                        That is a an interesting idea. I also would be interested in that. I don't mind paying for something because I know people rely on it but just like you I am not going to be paying for all of them.

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                          Check calibre - E-book management[^]. I have a few hundred books that I shuffle in and out of my Kindle.

                          Mircea

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                          Just curious.... Does that matter if kindle removed it? Once it goes in would kindle just remove it anyways if it that had already happened?

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                            Just curious.... Does that matter if kindle removed it? Once it goes in would kindle just remove it anyways if it that had already happened?

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                            Nope. Calibre library has nothing to do with Kindle.

                            Mircea

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                              Nope. Calibre library has nothing to do with Kindle.

                              Mircea

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                              Yes but you said... "that I shuffle in and out of my Kindle." So once it is in the Kindle, then the Kindle itself does nothing with it (removed books)?

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                                Yes but you said... "that I shuffle in and out of my Kindle." So once it is in the Kindle, then the Kindle itself does nothing with it (removed books)?

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                                Not that I’ve noticed. What I didn’t try was to erase it from my Kindle/Amazon account. Not sure it’s even possible.

                                Mircea

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                                  Not that I’ve noticed. What I didn’t try was to erase it from my Kindle/Amazon account. Not sure it’s even possible.

                                  Mircea

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                                  So just to be clear about my original message. Amazon itself has deleted books from kindles that people had previously bought. As I understand it this removed it from the kindle itself. Amazon Kindle users surprised by 'Big Brother' move | Amazon | The Guardian[^] Rare occurrence of course. So I was wondering if the device you mentioned would prevent that.

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                                    So just to be clear about my original message. Amazon itself has deleted books from kindles that people had previously bought. As I understand it this removed it from the kindle itself. Amazon Kindle users surprised by 'Big Brother' move | Amazon | The Guardian[^] Rare occurrence of course. So I was wondering if the device you mentioned would prevent that.

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                                    Here is how this works for me. I download a book from my Amazon account and it asks for what device I need the download. The book is downloaded and DRM protected but I can add it to the Calibre library. However I cannot open it on the PC. I can download the book to Kindle and read it fine. There is no way Amazon could remove or alter the book from the Calibre library but maybe the decrypting key on the Kindle could be invalidated. Anyway, it never happened to me.

                                    Mircea

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