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    Southmountain
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    I bought this book from eBay. I try to see if there is any valuable picture to insert into my online articles. do I violate any copyright ?

    diligent hands rule....

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      I bought this book from eBay. I try to see if there is any valuable picture to insert into my online articles. do I violate any copyright ?

      diligent hands rule....

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      Kenneth Haugland
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      I think not; I think the book is too old to still hold a copyright.

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        I bought this book from eBay. I try to see if there is any valuable picture to insert into my online articles. do I violate any copyright ?

        diligent hands rule....

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        As Kenneth says, the book is likely to be out of copyright by now. However, I would still credit the book with any pictures you copy. A simple line "Source: 1867 Encyclopaedia of Architecture" is sufficient. I would check to see if the copyright was renewed. There should be a page close to the start of the book giving the printing history.

        Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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          I bought this book from eBay. I try to see if there is any valuable picture to insert into my online articles. do I violate any copyright ?

          diligent hands rule....

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          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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          If it is the original, you are good. But there is a good chance that you hold a reprint published 1982, in which case you may have some problems...

          "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

          "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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            As Kenneth says, the book is likely to be out of copyright by now. However, I would still credit the book with any pictures you copy. A simple line "Source: 1867 Encyclopaedia of Architecture" is sufficient. I would check to see if the copyright was renewed. There should be a page close to the start of the book giving the printing history.

            Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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            Southmountain
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            I will do that surely...

            diligent hands rule....

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              I bought this book from eBay. I try to see if there is any valuable picture to insert into my online articles. do I violate any copyright ?

              diligent hands rule....

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              I was expecting a joke, something like "the story takes a while to build up." © Sander Rossel

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                As Kenneth says, the book is likely to be out of copyright by now. However, I would still credit the book with any pictures you copy. A simple line "Source: 1867 Encyclopaedia of Architecture" is sufficient. I would check to see if the copyright was renewed. There should be a page close to the start of the book giving the printing history.

                Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                I would check to see if the copyright was renewed.

                Copyright laws (just like patent laws) vary among jurisdictions. Laws in the US of A may differ from laws in European countries. The Berne Convention sets a framework for the different national laws, but there is some leeway and room for different interpretations. In many cases, parties have been (very) slow at implementing the Convention in their laws. US of A was very late (1989) in ratifying the Berne Convention. I do not know if it is yet fully implemented in the laws. In Norway, copyright expires 70 years after the death of the (last, if more than one) creator (Berne minimum is 50 years), and it can not be renewed. From what I have picked up about the Berne Convention, I haven't seen anything about renewal. As Berne sets a minimum of 50 years, I guess a country could also allow renewal, so it could be that the US of A provides for this. However, as copyright laws (like other laws) only apply in a given jurisdiction, any such renewed copyright would have no legal power e.g. in Norway. However, the author of this book is from England, and the book published in London. The Berne Convention states that when copyright protection expires in the country of origin, it expires in other countries as well. So even if the US of A allows renewal of copyright on works by authors from the US of A, it cannot be applied to works by English authors.

                Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                  If it is the original, you are good. But there is a good chance that you hold a reprint published 1982, in which case you may have some problems...

                  "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                  The copyright is on the creative work. Reprinting a book does not add to the creative work, and cannot be copyrighted - at least not in countries honoring the Berne Convention. You may add your own creative element e.g. by making a scene play from a novel, or edit an anthology of several stories on related topics. Then that adaptation or composition has its own copyright protection, as an adaptation / composition, but that does not affect the copyright of the original / individual works. An example: When internet arrived, Norwegian laws were not available on the net. They are (explicitly stated in the laws) not subject to copyright. So a group of people started a joint effort to typing in, not scanning, every law in the official printed book of Norway's laws. They were sued for copyright infringement because they copied everything in the book, including the notes and cross references (there are a lot!). All of that is copyrighted. So they had to edit that out, leaving the bare laws with no decorations. (They were far from through the work when the publisher of the official printed edition decided to make their version freely available on internet - for a while it had been available at tremendous monthly fee to lawyers - so you could say that all the work was wasted. But most people think that if this 'Norges Lowwwer', Norwegian Lawwws, project had not been initiated, free access to the laws wouldn't have come about until much later.)

                  Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                    The copyright is on the creative work. Reprinting a book does not add to the creative work, and cannot be copyrighted - at least not in countries honoring the Berne Convention. You may add your own creative element e.g. by making a scene play from a novel, or edit an anthology of several stories on related topics. Then that adaptation or composition has its own copyright protection, as an adaptation / composition, but that does not affect the copyright of the original / individual works. An example: When internet arrived, Norwegian laws were not available on the net. They are (explicitly stated in the laws) not subject to copyright. So a group of people started a joint effort to typing in, not scanning, every law in the official printed book of Norway's laws. They were sued for copyright infringement because they copied everything in the book, including the notes and cross references (there are a lot!). All of that is copyrighted. So they had to edit that out, leaving the bare laws with no decorations. (They were far from through the work when the publisher of the official printed edition decided to make their version freely available on internet - for a while it had been available at tremendous monthly fee to lawyers - so you could say that all the work was wasted. But most people think that if this 'Norges Lowwwer', Norwegian Lawwws, project had not been initiated, free access to the laws wouldn't have come about until much later.)

                    Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                    Southmountain
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                    this info is great:rose::rose::rose:

                    diligent hands rule....

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                      The copyright is on the creative work. Reprinting a book does not add to the creative work, and cannot be copyrighted - at least not in countries honoring the Berne Convention. You may add your own creative element e.g. by making a scene play from a novel, or edit an anthology of several stories on related topics. Then that adaptation or composition has its own copyright protection, as an adaptation / composition, but that does not affect the copyright of the original / individual works. An example: When internet arrived, Norwegian laws were not available on the net. They are (explicitly stated in the laws) not subject to copyright. So a group of people started a joint effort to typing in, not scanning, every law in the official printed book of Norway's laws. They were sued for copyright infringement because they copied everything in the book, including the notes and cross references (there are a lot!). All of that is copyrighted. So they had to edit that out, leaving the bare laws with no decorations. (They were far from through the work when the publisher of the official printed edition decided to make their version freely available on internet - for a while it had been available at tremendous monthly fee to lawyers - so you could say that all the work was wasted. But most people think that if this 'Norges Lowwwer', Norwegian Lawwws, project had not been initiated, free access to the laws wouldn't have come about until much later.)

                      Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                      trønderen wrote:

                      at least not in countries honoring the Berne Convention.

                      I would expect that applies to the point of time when the country agreed to honor that. At least in the United States that means it does not apply to anything created before 1989.

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                        I bought this book from eBay. I try to see if there is any valuable picture to insert into my online articles. do I violate any copyright ?

                        diligent hands rule....

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                        So date says 1867 and presuming that is the copyright date it is in the public domain in the US.

                        https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/faqs/copyright-basics/#:~:text=All works published in the,the author plus 70 years.

                        Reprint doesn't matter unless there was 'substantial' work done on the content. Otherwise companies would just keep reprinting their old material and claim a never ending copyright.

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                          So date says 1867 and presuming that is the copyright date it is in the public domain in the US.

                          https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/faqs/copyright-basics/#:~:text=All works published in the,the author plus 70 years.

                          Reprint doesn't matter unless there was 'substantial' work done on the content. Otherwise companies would just keep reprinting their old material and claim a never ending copyright.

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                          Southmountain
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                          I checked other copyright websites and it seems like your saying is true:rose:

                          diligent hands rule....

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                            Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                            I would check to see if the copyright was renewed.

                            Copyright laws (just like patent laws) vary among jurisdictions. Laws in the US of A may differ from laws in European countries. The Berne Convention sets a framework for the different national laws, but there is some leeway and room for different interpretations. In many cases, parties have been (very) slow at implementing the Convention in their laws. US of A was very late (1989) in ratifying the Berne Convention. I do not know if it is yet fully implemented in the laws. In Norway, copyright expires 70 years after the death of the (last, if more than one) creator (Berne minimum is 50 years), and it can not be renewed. From what I have picked up about the Berne Convention, I haven't seen anything about renewal. As Berne sets a minimum of 50 years, I guess a country could also allow renewal, so it could be that the US of A provides for this. However, as copyright laws (like other laws) only apply in a given jurisdiction, any such renewed copyright would have no legal power e.g. in Norway. However, the author of this book is from England, and the book published in London. The Berne Convention states that when copyright protection expires in the country of origin, it expires in other countries as well. So even if the US of A allows renewal of copyright on works by authors from the US of A, it cannot be applied to works by English authors.

                            Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                            Southmountain
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                            :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

                            diligent hands rule....

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