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    honey the codewitch
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    Sometimes I'm perusing development subreddits and I get a little depressed by what i find. As an example, recently someone asked if there was a library that could drive 8 stepper motors at a time. The answer is virtually any C++ library can if you create 8 instances, but they wanted something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow, and ummm no. you have to code it yourself. Cooperatively thread everything in a master loop, use a state machine. Back when I learned to code solving problems like this meant you were a coder. Now it seems like people just expect that there's a library that will solve whatever problem they're after solving. What are you even doing? Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together? Edit: Guy responded to tell me I was incorrect. He's still looking for that magic library. :laugh: And then i log out of reddit for a week. Am I just getting old and crotchety? Was it always like this and I just didn't notice? Has the Internet just made it more apparent? Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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      Sometimes I'm perusing development subreddits and I get a little depressed by what i find. As an example, recently someone asked if there was a library that could drive 8 stepper motors at a time. The answer is virtually any C++ library can if you create 8 instances, but they wanted something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow, and ummm no. you have to code it yourself. Cooperatively thread everything in a master loop, use a state machine. Back when I learned to code solving problems like this meant you were a coder. Now it seems like people just expect that there's a library that will solve whatever problem they're after solving. What are you even doing? Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together? Edit: Guy responded to tell me I was incorrect. He's still looking for that magic library. :laugh: And then i log out of reddit for a week. Am I just getting old and crotchety? Was it always like this and I just didn't notice? Has the Internet just made it more apparent? Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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      Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together?

      Welcome to QA.

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      something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow

      That looks charming.

      "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

      In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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      • H honey the codewitch

        Sometimes I'm perusing development subreddits and I get a little depressed by what i find. As an example, recently someone asked if there was a library that could drive 8 stepper motors at a time. The answer is virtually any C++ library can if you create 8 instances, but they wanted something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow, and ummm no. you have to code it yourself. Cooperatively thread everything in a master loop, use a state machine. Back when I learned to code solving problems like this meant you were a coder. Now it seems like people just expect that there's a library that will solve whatever problem they're after solving. What are you even doing? Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together? Edit: Guy responded to tell me I was incorrect. He's still looking for that magic library. :laugh: And then i log out of reddit for a week. Am I just getting old and crotchety? Was it always like this and I just didn't notice? Has the Internet just made it more apparent? Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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        No, it wasn't always like this. We used to take great pride in DIY stuff, even with code, to do things no one else is doing. I preferred projects that experts said couldn't be done, like the time HP told me that there's no way to connect HP computers from two different divisions together. That was fun, and yes, that was a long time ago. But since Easter is coming soon, and you sound like you need another project that's more entertaining, here's one for you: Peeps[^]

        Will Rogers never met me.

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        • H honey the codewitch

          Sometimes I'm perusing development subreddits and I get a little depressed by what i find. As an example, recently someone asked if there was a library that could drive 8 stepper motors at a time. The answer is virtually any C++ library can if you create 8 instances, but they wanted something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow, and ummm no. you have to code it yourself. Cooperatively thread everything in a master loop, use a state machine. Back when I learned to code solving problems like this meant you were a coder. Now it seems like people just expect that there's a library that will solve whatever problem they're after solving. What are you even doing? Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together? Edit: Guy responded to tell me I was incorrect. He's still looking for that magic library. :laugh: And then i log out of reddit for a week. Am I just getting old and crotchety? Was it always like this and I just didn't notice? Has the Internet just made it more apparent? Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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          Mandatory[^]

          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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          • H honey the codewitch

            Sometimes I'm perusing development subreddits and I get a little depressed by what i find. As an example, recently someone asked if there was a library that could drive 8 stepper motors at a time. The answer is virtually any C++ library can if you create 8 instances, but they wanted something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow, and ummm no. you have to code it yourself. Cooperatively thread everything in a master loop, use a state machine. Back when I learned to code solving problems like this meant you were a coder. Now it seems like people just expect that there's a library that will solve whatever problem they're after solving. What are you even doing? Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together? Edit: Guy responded to tell me I was incorrect. He's still looking for that magic library. :laugh: And then i log out of reddit for a week. Am I just getting old and crotchety? Was it always like this and I just didn't notice? Has the Internet just made it more apparent? Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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            You are fine. Internet does makes it more apparent. Here is my take and nothing new. The proliferation of software (and hardware) products for internet, local net, gaming, business, streaming entertainment, etc. has made programming a super wide-spread requirement, faster the better both in execution and implementation. Disciplined programming, if any, is taught to some degree in computer courses, but executed more or less by dictates of management or senior programming staff. But I am old and crotchety as well, so I may be missing some things.

            "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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            • H honey the codewitch

              Sometimes I'm perusing development subreddits and I get a little depressed by what i find. As an example, recently someone asked if there was a library that could drive 8 stepper motors at a time. The answer is virtually any C++ library can if you create 8 instances, but they wanted something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow, and ummm no. you have to code it yourself. Cooperatively thread everything in a master loop, use a state machine. Back when I learned to code solving problems like this meant you were a coder. Now it seems like people just expect that there's a library that will solve whatever problem they're after solving. What are you even doing? Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together? Edit: Guy responded to tell me I was incorrect. He's still looking for that magic library. :laugh: And then i log out of reddit for a week. Am I just getting old and crotchety? Was it always like this and I just didn't notice? Has the Internet just made it more apparent? Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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              The internet makes lazy programmers expect others to do the work they are supposed to be doing. As others have mentioned, refer to QA.

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              • M Mycroft Holmes

                Have you wandered into the world of Python, proponents seem to have the same attitude. The really shocking thing was that corporate seemed to feel this was a legitimate way of creating a solution.

                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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                Indeed. Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                • H honey the codewitch

                  Sometimes I'm perusing development subreddits and I get a little depressed by what i find. As an example, recently someone asked if there was a library that could drive 8 stepper motors at a time. The answer is virtually any C++ library can if you create 8 instances, but they wanted something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow, and ummm no. you have to code it yourself. Cooperatively thread everything in a master loop, use a state machine. Back when I learned to code solving problems like this meant you were a coder. Now it seems like people just expect that there's a library that will solve whatever problem they're after solving. What are you even doing? Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together? Edit: Guy responded to tell me I was incorrect. He's still looking for that magic library. :laugh: And then i log out of reddit for a week. Am I just getting old and crotchety? Was it always like this and I just didn't notice? Has the Internet just made it more apparent? Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                  Have you wandered into the world of Python, proponents seem to have the same attitude. The really shocking thing was that corporate seemed to feel this was a legitimate way of creating a solution.

                  Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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                  • H honey the codewitch

                    Sometimes I'm perusing development subreddits and I get a little depressed by what i find. As an example, recently someone asked if there was a library that could drive 8 stepper motors at a time. The answer is virtually any C++ library can if you create 8 instances, but they wanted something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow, and ummm no. you have to code it yourself. Cooperatively thread everything in a master loop, use a state machine. Back when I learned to code solving problems like this meant you were a coder. Now it seems like people just expect that there's a library that will solve whatever problem they're after solving. What are you even doing? Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together? Edit: Guy responded to tell me I was incorrect. He's still looking for that magic library. :laugh: And then i log out of reddit for a week. Am I just getting old and crotchety? Was it always like this and I just didn't notice? Has the Internet just made it more apparent? Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                    Use hardware logic to do serial to paralel conversion sending 8 identical (if desired) bit streams out to 8 steppers. Or just fake it all in Microcode.

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                    • R Ron Anders

                      Use hardware logic to do serial to paralel conversion sending 8 identical (if desired) bit streams out to 8 steppers. Or just fake it all in Microcode.

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                      honey the codewitch
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                      I think they were trying to get them synchronized, but not necessarily copying each other. Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                      • H honey the codewitch

                        Sometimes I'm perusing development subreddits and I get a little depressed by what i find. As an example, recently someone asked if there was a library that could drive 8 stepper motors at a time. The answer is virtually any C++ library can if you create 8 instances, but they wanted something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow, and ummm no. you have to code it yourself. Cooperatively thread everything in a master loop, use a state machine. Back when I learned to code solving problems like this meant you were a coder. Now it seems like people just expect that there's a library that will solve whatever problem they're after solving. What are you even doing? Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together? Edit: Guy responded to tell me I was incorrect. He's still looking for that magic library. :laugh: And then i log out of reddit for a week. Am I just getting old and crotchety? Was it always like this and I just didn't notice? Has the Internet just made it more apparent? Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                        If synchronization is needed, how about writing a [MIDI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI) "instrument" to "play" the motors? MIDI has built-in synchronization, and all you need to do is specifiy the timing of events.

                        Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                          Sometimes I'm perusing development subreddits and I get a little depressed by what i find. As an example, recently someone asked if there was a library that could drive 8 stepper motors at a time. The answer is virtually any C++ library can if you create 8 instances, but they wanted something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow, and ummm no. you have to code it yourself. Cooperatively thread everything in a master loop, use a state machine. Back when I learned to code solving problems like this meant you were a coder. Now it seems like people just expect that there's a library that will solve whatever problem they're after solving. What are you even doing? Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together? Edit: Guy responded to tell me I was incorrect. He's still looking for that magic library. :laugh: And then i log out of reddit for a week. Am I just getting old and crotchety? Was it always like this and I just didn't notice? Has the Internet just made it more apparent? Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                          Sander Rossel
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                          Well, in this guy's defence, there is a library for almost everything :~

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                          • D Daniel Pfeffer

                            If synchronization is needed, how about writing a [MIDI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI) "instrument" to "play" the motors? MIDI has built-in synchronization, and all you need to do is specifiy the timing of events.

                            Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                            honey the codewitch
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                            I offered the guy this: GitHub - codewitch-honey-crisis/htcw_ramp[^] which is a simple class that allows you to ramp between two values at a given step and time interval. I used it to control multiple steppers of the exact kind he is using for an HVAC system. He told me that was "wrong" and seemed pretty upset with me for even trying to help. :laugh: Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                            • D Daniel Pfeffer

                              If synchronization is needed, how about writing a [MIDI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI) "instrument" to "play" the motors? MIDI has built-in synchronization, and all you need to do is specifiy the timing of events.

                              Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                              I offered him a simpler solution which worked for me when I faced a similar problem with an HVAC system I was tasked with writing firmware for. GitHub - codewitch-honey-crisis/htcw_ramp[^] Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                              • H honey the codewitch

                                Sometimes I'm perusing development subreddits and I get a little depressed by what i find. As an example, recently someone asked if there was a library that could drive 8 stepper motors at a time. The answer is virtually any C++ library can if you create 8 instances, but they wanted something that would handle making all the motors operate in tandem somehow, and ummm no. you have to code it yourself. Cooperatively thread everything in a master loop, use a state machine. Back when I learned to code solving problems like this meant you were a coder. Now it seems like people just expect that there's a library that will solve whatever problem they're after solving. What are you even doing? Are you coding or are you just gluing things you don't understand together? Edit: Guy responded to tell me I was incorrect. He's still looking for that magic library. :laugh: And then i log out of reddit for a week. Am I just getting old and crotchety? Was it always like this and I just didn't notice? Has the Internet just made it more apparent? Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                honey the codewitch wrote:

                                Am I just getting old and crotchety?

                                Are you over thirty?? If so, in this industry, you are old. :)

                                Once you get past fifty, you become ancient. :-D You now have the right to be crotchety.

                                Me? I am over seventy and thus, I am a living fossil!! :laugh: At this point, crotchety defines you. :java:

                                __________________ Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now. © 2009, Rex Hammock

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                                  honey the codewitch wrote:

                                  Am I just getting old and crotchety?

                                  Are you over thirty?? If so, in this industry, you are old. :)

                                  Once you get past fifty, you become ancient. :-D You now have the right to be crotchety.

                                  Me? I am over seventy and thus, I am a living fossil!! :laugh: At this point, crotchety defines you. :java:

                                  __________________ Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now. © 2009, Rex Hammock

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                                  honey the codewitch
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                                  I'm old approaching ancient. :) What I've heard is people on average hit their intellectual peak in their 40s and then start losing some mental agility with age. I'm right about peaked if that's true, which sort of worries me because there are things I want to understand but can't yet. I have however, had a lot of breakthroughs in the field in my 40s - primarily centered around getting into embedded, and systems stuff again (first time working in constrained environments since the 1980s and '90s) But also if it's true it means the industry is missing out on tapping the full potential of developers.

                                  Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                    No, it wasn't always like this. We used to take great pride in DIY stuff, even with code, to do things no one else is doing. I preferred projects that experts said couldn't be done, like the time HP told me that there's no way to connect HP computers from two different divisions together. That was fun, and yes, that was a long time ago. But since Easter is coming soon, and you sound like you need another project that's more entertaining, here's one for you: Peeps[^]

                                    Will Rogers never met me.

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                                    Gary R Wheeler
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                                    Roger Wright wrote:

                                    here's one for you: Peeps[^]

                                    Roger, I'm having a tough day today, as it was exactly one year ago that my mom passed away. On top of that, the nimrods at work have figured out how to make a piece of code crash that's been working since the dawn of time, and I didn't even write the miserable POS. It's my job to fix it, however. This made me laugh. Thanks, buddy.

                                    Software Zen: delete this;

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                                    • H honey the codewitch

                                      I'm old approaching ancient. :) What I've heard is people on average hit their intellectual peak in their 40s and then start losing some mental agility with age. I'm right about peaked if that's true, which sort of worries me because there are things I want to understand but can't yet. I have however, had a lot of breakthroughs in the field in my 40s - primarily centered around getting into embedded, and systems stuff again (first time working in constrained environments since the 1980s and '90s) But also if it's true it means the industry is missing out on tapping the full potential of developers.

                                      Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                      Gary R Wheeler
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                                      honey the codewitch wrote:

                                      the industry is missing out on tapping the full potential of developers

                                      This has been true for longer than either of us has been alive, and I'm 62. Developers and engineers in general are sufficiently different in how they think that most people around us either can't understand us or resent the fact that we view problems as having a solution.

                                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                                      • G Gary R Wheeler

                                        Roger Wright wrote:

                                        here's one for you: Peeps[^]

                                        Roger, I'm having a tough day today, as it was exactly one year ago that my mom passed away. On top of that, the nimrods at work have figured out how to make a piece of code crash that's been working since the dawn of time, and I didn't even write the miserable POS. It's my job to fix it, however. This made me laugh. Thanks, buddy.

                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        Roger Wright
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                                        I'm glad it helped some, Gary. It's been 7 years since I lost mine, and I still occasionally think about calling her. Strange how memory works. As a curiosity, she passed on the exact same day as her husband, 19 years before! Hang in there - this, too, will pass. :-D

                                        Will Rogers never met me.

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                                        • H honey the codewitch

                                          I'm old approaching ancient. :) What I've heard is people on average hit their intellectual peak in their 40s and then start losing some mental agility with age. I'm right about peaked if that's true, which sort of worries me because there are things I want to understand but can't yet. I have however, had a lot of breakthroughs in the field in my 40s - primarily centered around getting into embedded, and systems stuff again (first time working in constrained environments since the 1980s and '90s) But also if it's true it means the industry is missing out on tapping the full potential of developers.

                                          Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                          Jalapeno Bob
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                                          honey the codewitch wrote:

                                          But also if it's true it means the industry is missing out on tapping the full potential of developers.

                                          This is true in many technical fields. The advancement path in many companies forces people to "advance" into management. The type of people who want to be in management, often from sales or marketing backgrounds, cannot understand why some people do not want to be in line (as opposed to project) management -- they see this as a personality defect. :( Thus, it is move up or move out. They cannot see the value of paying for experience. :mad:

                                          __________________ Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now. © 2009, Rex Hammock

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