GitHub Copilot...
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Have you tested it? Any conclusions?
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Did you know that research shows developers who use GitHub Copilot complete tasks 2X faster compared to benchmarks? Plus, the mental energy they save helps them feel more satisfied and have more fun with their work.
That's from an email I received from GitHub (MS)... To be honest I can't say anythin good about Copilot - all 5 times I asked a question it bomarded me with total nonsence (and not working, and mostly not even compiling) code solutions, meanwhile not paying attention to the details but hanging on the recognized keywords (like picking 'working' from 'not working')... However, I will form a firm oppinion after at least 50 times of using it...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
I may just be old and set in my ways, but I don't trust it (or any "AI") to write code, and even if I could, I doubt it would write code the way I write code. I don't like it, and I have little use for it. At best, it's a fancy google machine but stackoverflow, github and codeproject can typically answer my questions, and I trust them more.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Have you tested it? Any conclusions?
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Did you know that research shows developers who use GitHub Copilot complete tasks 2X faster compared to benchmarks? Plus, the mental energy they save helps them feel more satisfied and have more fun with their work.
That's from an email I received from GitHub (MS)... To be honest I can't say anythin good about Copilot - all 5 times I asked a question it bomarded me with total nonsence (and not working, and mostly not even compiling) code solutions, meanwhile not paying attention to the details but hanging on the recognized keywords (like picking 'working' from 'not working')... However, I will form a firm oppinion after at least 50 times of using it...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
We don't use it at work because of the potential liability of using copyrighted code. I understand that MS will not indemnify anyone against lawsuits for copyright violation if Copilot outputs a block of copyrighted code. Even if this were not an issue, at the current state of the art I have to thoroughly review any suggestions by Copilot and its ilk. By the time I've done that, I might as well have written the code by myself. Copilot will only be useful if and when it can reliably output entire blocks of code, rather than snippets. At which time, see my first point.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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I may just be old and set in my ways, but I don't trust it (or any "AI") to write code, and even if I could, I doubt it would write code the way I write code. I don't like it, and I have little use for it. At best, it's a fancy google machine but stackoverflow, github and codeproject can typically answer my questions, and I trust them more.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
I was thinking that it may shorten search for documents/ideas as it should have scande a wast amount of code... So it is either bad at finding things or the avarage of the code on the web is very low :-)
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
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We don't use it at work because of the potential liability of using copyrighted code. I understand that MS will not indemnify anyone against lawsuits for copyright violation if Copilot outputs a block of copyrighted code. Even if this were not an issue, at the current state of the art I have to thoroughly review any suggestions by Copilot and its ilk. By the time I've done that, I might as well have written the code by myself. Copilot will only be useful if and when it can reliably output entire blocks of code, rather than snippets. At which time, see my first point.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
I didn't actually meant to let it write code - more of a fast and focused search... not impressed there...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
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Have you tested it? Any conclusions?
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Did you know that research shows developers who use GitHub Copilot complete tasks 2X faster compared to benchmarks? Plus, the mental energy they save helps them feel more satisfied and have more fun with their work.
That's from an email I received from GitHub (MS)... To be honest I can't say anythin good about Copilot - all 5 times I asked a question it bomarded me with total nonsence (and not working, and mostly not even compiling) code solutions, meanwhile not paying attention to the details but hanging on the recognized keywords (like picking 'working' from 'not working')... However, I will form a firm oppinion after at least 50 times of using it...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
I've been using it for the last couple of months. You have to treat it like you're an expert QA abuser here. Context is EVERYTHING. The more detail, the better. If you don't describe in nauseating detail what you're working on, the app type, what you want the app to do, the problems you're having, ... It's going to do what we do when we come across an idiot in QA who doesn't know how to ask a question. It's going to guess at what you're doing as best it can. But what you said about code that doesn't compile is true. If you're not watching what it's doing, it will spit out code that doesn't compile. I've had multiple occasions where it generated WPF XAML and used properties on classes that didn't exist. In these cases, I told it what it did wrong, and to give it credit, it did come up with corrected solutions, even ones that didn't involve just changing a property, but instead, rewrote the entire block using an entirely different method to solve the original problem. It works best if you don't try and treat it like you're in QA. Treat it like it's a friend you tell everything to about your code and the results get better. It's a tool like any other, where you have to learn to use correctly. Would I trust it to write production quality code? Not a chance, but it can be a decent helper. We're in no danger at all of AI replacing us, or even replacing QA here.
Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles. Dave Kreskowiak
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I may just be old and set in my ways, but I don't trust it (or any "AI") to write code, and even if I could, I doubt it would write code the way I write code. I don't like it, and I have little use for it. At best, it's a fancy google machine but stackoverflow, github and codeproject can typically answer my questions, and I trust them more.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
it's just a tool. I would never release code without reviewing it first and/or adapting it.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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it's just a tool. I would never release code without reviewing it first and/or adapting it.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
It's a tool that's statistically wrong more often than not as it pertains to coding questions. If any of my other tools had that kind of failure rate I'd throw them away.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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We don't use it at work because of the potential liability of using copyrighted code. I understand that MS will not indemnify anyone against lawsuits for copyright violation if Copilot outputs a block of copyrighted code. Even if this were not an issue, at the current state of the art I have to thoroughly review any suggestions by Copilot and its ilk. By the time I've done that, I might as well have written the code by myself. Copilot will only be useful if and when it can reliably output entire blocks of code, rather than snippets. At which time, see my first point.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Among other things - and this is more a general AI concern I have - I'm concerned about model collapse in AI as it is being trained with online content ... generated with AI. Nature had an article about it recently. I call it AI incest. As code online that is generated with tools like ChatGPT and Copilot becomes more prolific what happens to the models? This isn't my biggest issue with it, but it does seem that AI is destined to eat itself.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Have you tested it? Any conclusions?
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Did you know that research shows developers who use GitHub Copilot complete tasks 2X faster compared to benchmarks? Plus, the mental energy they save helps them feel more satisfied and have more fun with their work.
That's from an email I received from GitHub (MS)... To be honest I can't say anythin good about Copilot - all 5 times I asked a question it bomarded me with total nonsence (and not working, and mostly not even compiling) code solutions, meanwhile not paying attention to the details but hanging on the recognized keywords (like picking 'working' from 'not working')... However, I will form a firm oppinion after at least 50 times of using it...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
I've found it to save some time with autocomplete when you have an existing example in the code to work from and it's a repetitive task. E.g. public void IsNumberEven(int number) { if (number == 0) return true; if number == 1) return false; if number == 2) return true; // copilot will do well with autocomplete here } :P
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Have you tested it? Any conclusions?
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Did you know that research shows developers who use GitHub Copilot complete tasks 2X faster compared to benchmarks? Plus, the mental energy they save helps them feel more satisfied and have more fun with their work.
That's from an email I received from GitHub (MS)... To be honest I can't say anythin good about Copilot - all 5 times I asked a question it bomarded me with total nonsence (and not working, and mostly not even compiling) code solutions, meanwhile not paying attention to the details but hanging on the recognized keywords (like picking 'working' from 'not working')... However, I will form a firm oppinion after at least 50 times of using it...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
I haven't used it, but I should and kina want to. AI is going nowhere. Your options are embrace it or become a dinosaur.
Jeremy Falcon
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Among other things - and this is more a general AI concern I have - I'm concerned about model collapse in AI as it is being trained with online content ... generated with AI. Nature had an article about it recently. I call it AI incest. As code online that is generated with tools like ChatGPT and Copilot becomes more prolific what happens to the models? This isn't my biggest issue with it, but it does seem that AI is destined to eat itself.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
Interesting point. Could it be that the only reason for humans' long-term existence is to "salt" the AI models?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Interesting point. Could it be that the only reason for humans' long-term existence is to "salt" the AI models?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
I don't think I understand the question? The way I'm interpreting it doesn't make sense, but I can't figure it out. The way I'm reading it suggests that AI has been around for the whole of human history :~ but I know that's not what you're saying.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Have you tested it? Any conclusions?
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Did you know that research shows developers who use GitHub Copilot complete tasks 2X faster compared to benchmarks? Plus, the mental energy they save helps them feel more satisfied and have more fun with their work.
That's from an email I received from GitHub (MS)... To be honest I can't say anythin good about Copilot - all 5 times I asked a question it bomarded me with total nonsence (and not working, and mostly not even compiling) code solutions, meanwhile not paying attention to the details but hanging on the recognized keywords (like picking 'working' from 'not working')... However, I will form a firm oppinion after at least 50 times of using it...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
I can't say anything about Copilot, but I can about its Gemini counterpart, which is currently in the free stage. The autocomplete works better than the standard autocomplete. But as always, read carefully - the bot doesn't understand the purpose of this piece of code. For repetitive tasks, it works great. But for longer functions, I need a lot of time to review. Sometimes I was surprised. The function was written in a way I would never use. But the result was correct and sometimes even better. I see these bots more in the area of learning than productive creation. But yes - they are fun too. When it comes to learning other people's code, they are really a help.
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Have you tested it? Any conclusions?
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Did you know that research shows developers who use GitHub Copilot complete tasks 2X faster compared to benchmarks? Plus, the mental energy they save helps them feel more satisfied and have more fun with their work.
That's from an email I received from GitHub (MS)... To be honest I can't say anythin good about Copilot - all 5 times I asked a question it bomarded me with total nonsence (and not working, and mostly not even compiling) code solutions, meanwhile not paying attention to the details but hanging on the recognized keywords (like picking 'working' from 'not working')... However, I will form a firm oppinion after at least 50 times of using it...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
And another study I saw the other day contradicts that email: [Study shock! AI hinders productivity and makes working worse • The Register](https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/26/ai\_hinders\_productivity/) That study mirrors my experience, tbh. I've found "ai-powered" code tools to create more work than they take away because (a) I'd say about 50% of suggestions are completely wrong and the rest are either trivial or subtly wrong.
------------------------------------------------ If you say that getting the money is the most important thing You will spend your life completely wasting your time You will be doing things you don't like doing In order to go on living That is, to go on doing things you don't like doing Which is stupid. - Alan Watts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gXTZM\_uPMY
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We don't use it at work because of the potential liability of using copyrighted code. I understand that MS will not indemnify anyone against lawsuits for copyright violation if Copilot outputs a block of copyrighted code. Even if this were not an issue, at the current state of the art I have to thoroughly review any suggestions by Copilot and its ilk. By the time I've done that, I might as well have written the code by myself. Copilot will only be useful if and when it can reliably output entire blocks of code, rather than snippets. At which time, see my first point.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
Even if this were not an issue, at the current state of the art I have to thoroughly review any suggestions by Copilot and its ilk. By the time I've done that, I might as well have written the code by myself.
This is my POV on "self driving" vehicles -- if I have to have my hands on the wheel and be paying attention 100% of the time, why do I need it?
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I've been using it for the last couple of months. You have to treat it like you're an expert QA abuser here. Context is EVERYTHING. The more detail, the better. If you don't describe in nauseating detail what you're working on, the app type, what you want the app to do, the problems you're having, ... It's going to do what we do when we come across an idiot in QA who doesn't know how to ask a question. It's going to guess at what you're doing as best it can. But what you said about code that doesn't compile is true. If you're not watching what it's doing, it will spit out code that doesn't compile. I've had multiple occasions where it generated WPF XAML and used properties on classes that didn't exist. In these cases, I told it what it did wrong, and to give it credit, it did come up with corrected solutions, even ones that didn't involve just changing a property, but instead, rewrote the entire block using an entirely different method to solve the original problem. It works best if you don't try and treat it like you're in QA. Treat it like it's a friend you tell everything to about your code and the results get better. It's a tool like any other, where you have to learn to use correctly. Would I trust it to write production quality code? Not a chance, but it can be a decent helper. We're in no danger at all of AI replacing us, or even replacing QA here.
Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles. Dave Kreskowiak
I agree. When working on code with Copilot I start out with the code context. Then I explain my problem and include the compiler error message. Copilot commiserates and rewrite my code, improving it. Then it offers alternatives. The more descriptive your prompt, the better the answer. I never ever expect Copilot to design or architect for me. I can already barely remember the time when I had to look up obscure syntax and battle, in my case, Microsoft regarding documentation errors and get rebuffed with "Need more information" and "Not important enough" and issue is "closed".
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Have you tested it? Any conclusions?
Quote:
Did you know that research shows developers who use GitHub Copilot complete tasks 2X faster compared to benchmarks? Plus, the mental energy they save helps them feel more satisfied and have more fun with their work.
That's from an email I received from GitHub (MS)... To be honest I can't say anythin good about Copilot - all 5 times I asked a question it bomarded me with total nonsence (and not working, and mostly not even compiling) code solutions, meanwhile not paying attention to the details but hanging on the recognized keywords (like picking 'working' from 'not working')... However, I will form a firm oppinion after at least 50 times of using it...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
CoPilot allowed me to have somewhat in-depth conversations about nuclear physics and criticality that Microsoft newest AI would not handle. Except for that, so far, all the AI either refuse to discuss controversial subjects or adhere to the official line. I find this problematic.
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Have you tested it? Any conclusions?
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Did you know that research shows developers who use GitHub Copilot complete tasks 2X faster compared to benchmarks? Plus, the mental energy they save helps them feel more satisfied and have more fun with their work.
That's from an email I received from GitHub (MS)... To be honest I can't say anythin good about Copilot - all 5 times I asked a question it bomarded me with total nonsence (and not working, and mostly not even compiling) code solutions, meanwhile not paying attention to the details but hanging on the recognized keywords (like picking 'working' from 'not working')... However, I will form a firm oppinion after at least 50 times of using it...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
As far as I'm concerned, whatever it provides can be useful as a starting point that you then adapt yourself to your own needs; it's never a solution that you can just copy and paste. That should never be the goal, no matter how good it gets. Does it save me time? Yes it has, but more often than not it's just to set me on the right path for further research, it's not the final destination. As other have pointed out, it might generate code that doesn't even compile. But an experienced developer should be able to get something useful out of it, and fix the wrong parts himself. And in hindsight, all 3 paragraphs I wrote above are essentially each saying the same thing.
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Have you tested it? Any conclusions?
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Did you know that research shows developers who use GitHub Copilot complete tasks 2X faster compared to benchmarks? Plus, the mental energy they save helps them feel more satisfied and have more fun with their work.
That's from an email I received from GitHub (MS)... To be honest I can't say anythin good about Copilot - all 5 times I asked a question it bomarded me with total nonsence (and not working, and mostly not even compiling) code solutions, meanwhile not paying attention to the details but hanging on the recognized keywords (like picking 'working' from 'not working')... However, I will form a firm oppinion after at least 50 times of using it...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
Why would I need an AI Assistant if I knew what I was doing and what I wanted to write as code? Seems like Co-Pilot is merely a redundant piece of software that Microsoft wants professionals to use with no real and apparent reasoning... Unless of course, Co-Pilot has another layer of surveillance software in it. I have never tried the software and have no intentions for doing so. In fact, I have been looking at moving my development efforts to Linux. I wish JetBrains with its Rider ID would get its act together with WPF support...
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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I don't think I understand the question? The way I'm interpreting it doesn't make sense, but I can't figure it out. The way I'm reading it suggests that AI has been around for the whole of human history :~ but I know that's not what you're saying.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
Humans evolved, then they built AIs. The AIs eventually take over, and keep humans only so they can add some randomness into the AIs' models. Isaac Asimov wrote a good short story on a similar theme, The Last Answer. It's not as well-known as his The Last Question, but worth reading IMO.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
