From the painfully obvious to everyone else on the planet department...
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$16 isn't bad for a good steak either, but if McD's started charging $16 for a double cheese burger, there might be some complaint. (though McD's has some serious competition, so...) I tend to buy a lot of CDs used/second hand, so rarely pay over $10/disc anyway. But then, my purchase of discarded early '90s one-hit-wonders doesn't do much for the music industry's cash intake either...
Shog9
I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong...
Shog9 wrote: $16 isn't bad for a good steak either, but if McD's started charging $16 for a double cheese burger, there might be some complaint. Considering that a good steak and a McD's burger are two totally different products. I mean, the McD's burger doesn't actually contain any real meat for a start... :laugh: Secondly, people who eat good steaks are actually aware of what they're eating. ;P John[^]
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Yes, that's exactly what I should have said. I'm so sick of the crappier media parroting the record industries claims that sales are down due to illegal music downloading when anyone who indpendently looks at the stats says that it's just down. Not related to downloading at all. I'm still mad that I can't buy music online in Canada when it can now be done in Europe and the U.S., but on the bright side, as others have pointed out here, the Canadian govt. effectively gave permission for people to copy music when they put a tax on blank media to compensate artists for copying their music.
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Shog9 wrote: $16 isn't bad for a good steak either, but if McD's started charging $16 for a double cheese burger, there might be some complaint. Considering that a good steak and a McD's burger are two totally different products. I mean, the McD's burger doesn't actually contain any real meat for a start... :laugh: Secondly, people who eat good steaks are actually aware of what they're eating. ;P John[^]
> Considering that a good steak and a McD's burger are two totally > different products. I mean, the McD's burger doesn't actually contain > any real meat for a start... I think that was the point. New CDs coming out nowadays don't actually contain any real music either...
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John Cardinal wrote: Yes, exactly! And the government says "oh, we'll have to have a look at that" and never do Because (at least in NB) the gov gets a tax based on the price, not a flat tax. They just sit back rubbing their claws together, planning how to spin-doctor this into a "balanced budget", as if it was good planning on their part.:mad: Day 64 of Fridge Science Experiment: nothing blinking yet.
Richard Jones wrote: Because (at least in NB) the gov gets a tax based on the price, not a flat tax Same here in B.C. I think. I shouldn't really bitch, it's not like I use the car for work very much, but some people need fuel for their job and these kind of price fluctuations have a crazy influence on their bottom line. Free enterprise is something I truly believe in but I don't think that is in effect for gas prices.
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brianwelsch wrote: "Manifest plainness, embrace simplicity, reduce selfishness, have few desires." -- Lao Tzu By the way, your sig always bothers me, the lines you quoted are generally considered to be the very end of that particular passage and they are immediately preceded by: "...However, if these three passages are inadequate, Adhere to these principles: perceive purity...." Followed by what you quote. Perhaps if you put a "..." before it?;) Ironically, in essense the first part of the passage (which I've not included here) is an admonition against going with set principles instead of using your instincts so I suspect "Lao Tzu" would be unhappy to see this quotation. ;P
John Cardinal wrote: your sig always bothers me I'll have a word with it. ;P You know I'm pretty ignorant to the context of the quote. I just liked the way it sounded. I'll check it out.
"...manifest plainness, embrace simplicity,
reduce selfishness, have few desires."
-- Lao TzuBW
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John Cardinal wrote: your sig always bothers me I'll have a word with it. ;P You know I'm pretty ignorant to the context of the quote. I just liked the way it sounded. I'll check it out.
"...manifest plainness, embrace simplicity,
reduce selfishness, have few desires."
-- Lao TzuBW
Don't get me wrong, I think they are wise words, but most wise when taken in context. The fascinating thing about the Tao Te Ching is that it is almost impossible to quote a small part of it without reversing or obfuscating the original intent of the author for that section. Unfortunately the versions that are commonly available on the internet are taken from original translations that have had their copyright expire and are now generally accepted as being very inaccurate to the original intent of the author. Project Gutenberg seems to be the source of this version. The first translators colored the translation to a very high degree with their own preconceived conceptions and in some cases they actually reversed the original intent of some of the passages. The bit you quoted seems to be almost word for word the same as the more modern translations that I have. I aplogize for being pedantic, it's something I've been fascinated by for many years, not just the philosophy but the variations in translation and how the translators beliefs can unwittingly colour their translation to such a high degree. It has pretty big implications for many things that society commonly accepts as fact.
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Music giants slash price of albums: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3079854.stm[^]
"Universal - which has artists like U2, Eminem and Sir Elton John on its roster" That's their problem - they need to sign up some talent. :rolleyes: Still, it's nice to see people in the USA finally getting music for the same price we've been paying in Europe for the last three years. :-D
David Wulff
"Sanity is just a state of mind, insanity is a developed past-time for Mr Wulff" - Jonny Newman
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Don't get me wrong, I think they are wise words, but most wise when taken in context. The fascinating thing about the Tao Te Ching is that it is almost impossible to quote a small part of it without reversing or obfuscating the original intent of the author for that section. Unfortunately the versions that are commonly available on the internet are taken from original translations that have had their copyright expire and are now generally accepted as being very inaccurate to the original intent of the author. Project Gutenberg seems to be the source of this version. The first translators colored the translation to a very high degree with their own preconceived conceptions and in some cases they actually reversed the original intent of some of the passages. The bit you quoted seems to be almost word for word the same as the more modern translations that I have. I aplogize for being pedantic, it's something I've been fascinated by for many years, not just the philosophy but the variations in translation and how the translators beliefs can unwittingly colour their translation to such a high degree. It has pretty big implications for many things that society commonly accepts as fact.
John Cardinal wrote: I've been fascinated by for many years, I've always viewed Eastern thought as somehow grounded, or maybe true. I've mostly ignored pursuing its knowledge until fairly recently though. It's very practical and timeless. The version I've got at home is translated by Gia FuFeng, I believe. I read bits from time to time, but it takes a while for it all to really sink in. That particular quote was taken off the web, rather than from my reading. Do you know of a particular translation that is regarded as being truer to the original than others? Maybe it's best to read several translations...
"Manifest plainness, embrace simplicity,
reduce selfishness, have few desires."
-- Lao TzuBW
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Don't get me wrong, I think they are wise words, but most wise when taken in context. The fascinating thing about the Tao Te Ching is that it is almost impossible to quote a small part of it without reversing or obfuscating the original intent of the author for that section. Unfortunately the versions that are commonly available on the internet are taken from original translations that have had their copyright expire and are now generally accepted as being very inaccurate to the original intent of the author. Project Gutenberg seems to be the source of this version. The first translators colored the translation to a very high degree with their own preconceived conceptions and in some cases they actually reversed the original intent of some of the passages. The bit you quoted seems to be almost word for word the same as the more modern translations that I have. I aplogize for being pedantic, it's something I've been fascinated by for many years, not just the philosophy but the variations in translation and how the translators beliefs can unwittingly colour their translation to such a high degree. It has pretty big implications for many things that society commonly accepts as fact.
John Cardinal wrote: Tao Te Ching Delightful work... a must read! I've heard it said, though, that who writes about the Tao, knows not the Tao. That must make it very frustrating to be a philosopher. All in all, though, I prefer The Tao of Pooh[^].
"Nobody is Ugly at 2AM"
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John Cardinal wrote: I've been fascinated by for many years, I've always viewed Eastern thought as somehow grounded, or maybe true. I've mostly ignored pursuing its knowledge until fairly recently though. It's very practical and timeless. The version I've got at home is translated by Gia FuFeng, I believe. I read bits from time to time, but it takes a while for it all to really sink in. That particular quote was taken off the web, rather than from my reading. Do you know of a particular translation that is regarded as being truer to the original than others? Maybe it's best to read several translations...
"Manifest plainness, embrace simplicity,
reduce selfishness, have few desires."
-- Lao TzuBW
brianwelsch wrote: Do you know of a particular translation that is regarded as being truer to the original than others? Maybe it's best to read several translations... My personal favourite is the Wing translation because it contains a lot of commentary that puts it in perspective, however this might (or might not:-D) help get you started: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/19XJ019CUR18T/104-7856744-5018318[^]
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John Cardinal wrote: Tao Te Ching Delightful work... a must read! I've heard it said, though, that who writes about the Tao, knows not the Tao. That must make it very frustrating to be a philosopher. All in all, though, I prefer The Tao of Pooh[^].
"Nobody is Ugly at 2AM"