Why I went into software, not networks...
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Transcript of recent phone call to Cisco where I was trying to figure out what equipment I needed. Me: I think I need the Cisco 2600, can you get me a quote on that? Cisco: Sure, that's $1000. Do you want that router to do something? Me: Uhm, well, yeah. Cisco: Ok, you'll need our "Do something" module. Me: Ok, sure, how much is that. Cisco: About $1000. List price, of course. You can probably get more competitive pricing through one of our Partners. Me: Dealers? Cisco: No, partners. Me: Moving on, is that it? Cisco: Let's see. *tap*tap*tap* Oh, do you want to connect devices to that router? Me: Well, yes. Cisco: Ok, you'll need our Lan Connection Module. Me: Ok, how much is that? Cisco: $500. Without encryption or support. That'll be *tap*tap*tap* $200 more. Did you want 10base, 100 base, 10/100, or GigaBit? Me: We're 10/100 here. Cisco: Add $100. Me: Uhh, ok. Cisco: Do you have a wan? Me: Yes, that's why we're buying a router. Cisco: What kind of wan? Me: Terminates in the cloud... internet. Cisco: DSL, ADSL, T1, Fracional T1, Half caf double decaf T1, 56 kbit T1, T3, non switching T1, half switched, sometimes switched, always switched or never non-un-half switched? Me: We're uhh, full T1 here. Cisco: Ok, with csu/dsu? Me: Y... Yeah. Cisco. Ok, WIC for T1 and built in CSU/DSU... that'll add *tap*tap* $1000. Me: Wh.. o... ok. I think I've got it now. Cisco: You puttin that router on a table? Me: Uhh, yeah, table, yeah, what you said. Sure, it's going on a table. Cisco: You'll need the rubber feet for that chassis, then. Me: Rubber feet? I uhh, ok, ok, rubber feet... sure. Cisco: Those are $40. Me: $40? Ok, rubber feet it is- you don't have anything in felt, do you? Cisco: No, rubber only. Now, you'll need four of those? Me: ??!? Yeah I would think. Cisco: You could go with three, but we don't recommend that. It'll rock a lot and you could end up with a nasty Near End Cross Talk situation... shall I put you down for four? Me: four, sure, yeah, four sounds good. Cisco: Ok, four rubber feet at $40. That's $160. Me: Hhhmmm, are we uhh, done? Cisco: Color? Me: Color? Cisco: Color. Me: For what? Cisco: router case. With no case it won't work. Me: Uhh, whatever color... I dunno. Cisco: Women work in your office? Me: Yeah, some, why? Cisco: You're not gonna want that color to clash with the tile. Me: Ok, we've got your basic beige tile. C
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Transcript of recent phone call to Cisco where I was trying to figure out what equipment I needed. Me: I think I need the Cisco 2600, can you get me a quote on that? Cisco: Sure, that's $1000. Do you want that router to do something? Me: Uhm, well, yeah. Cisco: Ok, you'll need our "Do something" module. Me: Ok, sure, how much is that. Cisco: About $1000. List price, of course. You can probably get more competitive pricing through one of our Partners. Me: Dealers? Cisco: No, partners. Me: Moving on, is that it? Cisco: Let's see. *tap*tap*tap* Oh, do you want to connect devices to that router? Me: Well, yes. Cisco: Ok, you'll need our Lan Connection Module. Me: Ok, how much is that? Cisco: $500. Without encryption or support. That'll be *tap*tap*tap* $200 more. Did you want 10base, 100 base, 10/100, or GigaBit? Me: We're 10/100 here. Cisco: Add $100. Me: Uhh, ok. Cisco: Do you have a wan? Me: Yes, that's why we're buying a router. Cisco: What kind of wan? Me: Terminates in the cloud... internet. Cisco: DSL, ADSL, T1, Fracional T1, Half caf double decaf T1, 56 kbit T1, T3, non switching T1, half switched, sometimes switched, always switched or never non-un-half switched? Me: We're uhh, full T1 here. Cisco: Ok, with csu/dsu? Me: Y... Yeah. Cisco. Ok, WIC for T1 and built in CSU/DSU... that'll add *tap*tap* $1000. Me: Wh.. o... ok. I think I've got it now. Cisco: You puttin that router on a table? Me: Uhh, yeah, table, yeah, what you said. Sure, it's going on a table. Cisco: You'll need the rubber feet for that chassis, then. Me: Rubber feet? I uhh, ok, ok, rubber feet... sure. Cisco: Those are $40. Me: $40? Ok, rubber feet it is- you don't have anything in felt, do you? Cisco: No, rubber only. Now, you'll need four of those? Me: ??!? Yeah I would think. Cisco: You could go with three, but we don't recommend that. It'll rock a lot and you could end up with a nasty Near End Cross Talk situation... shall I put you down for four? Me: four, sure, yeah, four sounds good. Cisco: Ok, four rubber feet at $40. That's $160. Me: Hhhmmm, are we uhh, done? Cisco: Color? Me: Color? Cisco: Color. Me: For what? Cisco: router case. With no case it won't work. Me: Uhh, whatever color... I dunno. Cisco: Women work in your office? Me: Yeah, some, why? Cisco: You're not gonna want that color to clash with the tile. Me: Ok, we've got your basic beige tile. C
Paul Oss wrote: Cisco: DSL, ADSL, T1, Fracional T1, Half caf double decaf T1, 56 kbit T1, T3, non switching T1, half switched, sometimes switched, always switched or never non-un-half switched? :laugh: Fries with that ?
Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )
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Transcript of recent phone call to Cisco where I was trying to figure out what equipment I needed. Me: I think I need the Cisco 2600, can you get me a quote on that? Cisco: Sure, that's $1000. Do you want that router to do something? Me: Uhm, well, yeah. Cisco: Ok, you'll need our "Do something" module. Me: Ok, sure, how much is that. Cisco: About $1000. List price, of course. You can probably get more competitive pricing through one of our Partners. Me: Dealers? Cisco: No, partners. Me: Moving on, is that it? Cisco: Let's see. *tap*tap*tap* Oh, do you want to connect devices to that router? Me: Well, yes. Cisco: Ok, you'll need our Lan Connection Module. Me: Ok, how much is that? Cisco: $500. Without encryption or support. That'll be *tap*tap*tap* $200 more. Did you want 10base, 100 base, 10/100, or GigaBit? Me: We're 10/100 here. Cisco: Add $100. Me: Uhh, ok. Cisco: Do you have a wan? Me: Yes, that's why we're buying a router. Cisco: What kind of wan? Me: Terminates in the cloud... internet. Cisco: DSL, ADSL, T1, Fracional T1, Half caf double decaf T1, 56 kbit T1, T3, non switching T1, half switched, sometimes switched, always switched or never non-un-half switched? Me: We're uhh, full T1 here. Cisco: Ok, with csu/dsu? Me: Y... Yeah. Cisco. Ok, WIC for T1 and built in CSU/DSU... that'll add *tap*tap* $1000. Me: Wh.. o... ok. I think I've got it now. Cisco: You puttin that router on a table? Me: Uhh, yeah, table, yeah, what you said. Sure, it's going on a table. Cisco: You'll need the rubber feet for that chassis, then. Me: Rubber feet? I uhh, ok, ok, rubber feet... sure. Cisco: Those are $40. Me: $40? Ok, rubber feet it is- you don't have anything in felt, do you? Cisco: No, rubber only. Now, you'll need four of those? Me: ??!? Yeah I would think. Cisco: You could go with three, but we don't recommend that. It'll rock a lot and you could end up with a nasty Near End Cross Talk situation... shall I put you down for four? Me: four, sure, yeah, four sounds good. Cisco: Ok, four rubber feet at $40. That's $160. Me: Hhhmmm, are we uhh, done? Cisco: Color? Me: Color? Cisco: Color. Me: For what? Cisco: router case. With no case it won't work. Me: Uhh, whatever color... I dunno. Cisco: Women work in your office? Me: Yeah, some, why? Cisco: You're not gonna want that color to clash with the tile. Me: Ok, we've got your basic beige tile. C
Cisco: You'll need the rubber feet for that chassis, then. Me: Rubber feet? I uhh, ok, ok, rubber feet... sure. Cisco: Those are $40. Me: $40? Ok, rubber feet it is- you don't have anything in felt, do you? Cisco: No, rubber only. Now, you'll need four of those? Me: ??!? Yeah I would think. Cisco: You could go with three, but we don't recommend that. It'll rock a lot and you could end up with a nasty Near End Cross Talk situation... shall I put you down for four? Me: four, sure, yeah, four sounds good. Cisco: Ok, four rubber feet at $40. That's $160. :eek: Me: You got the number of Juniper (or 3Com or Nortel)? and I thought our sales department optioned our customers to death... Steve
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Paul Oss wrote: Cisco: DSL, ADSL, T1, Fracional T1, Half caf double decaf T1, 56 kbit T1, T3, non switching T1, half switched, sometimes switched, always switched or never non-un-half switched? :laugh: Fries with that ?
Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )
Fries with that? Would you like them raw or cooked? Paper, plastic or mink-lined Corinthian leather carrying bag? :confused: Steve
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Transcript of recent phone call to Cisco where I was trying to figure out what equipment I needed. Me: I think I need the Cisco 2600, can you get me a quote on that? Cisco: Sure, that's $1000. Do you want that router to do something? Me: Uhm, well, yeah. Cisco: Ok, you'll need our "Do something" module. Me: Ok, sure, how much is that. Cisco: About $1000. List price, of course. You can probably get more competitive pricing through one of our Partners. Me: Dealers? Cisco: No, partners. Me: Moving on, is that it? Cisco: Let's see. *tap*tap*tap* Oh, do you want to connect devices to that router? Me: Well, yes. Cisco: Ok, you'll need our Lan Connection Module. Me: Ok, how much is that? Cisco: $500. Without encryption or support. That'll be *tap*tap*tap* $200 more. Did you want 10base, 100 base, 10/100, or GigaBit? Me: We're 10/100 here. Cisco: Add $100. Me: Uhh, ok. Cisco: Do you have a wan? Me: Yes, that's why we're buying a router. Cisco: What kind of wan? Me: Terminates in the cloud... internet. Cisco: DSL, ADSL, T1, Fracional T1, Half caf double decaf T1, 56 kbit T1, T3, non switching T1, half switched, sometimes switched, always switched or never non-un-half switched? Me: We're uhh, full T1 here. Cisco: Ok, with csu/dsu? Me: Y... Yeah. Cisco. Ok, WIC for T1 and built in CSU/DSU... that'll add *tap*tap* $1000. Me: Wh.. o... ok. I think I've got it now. Cisco: You puttin that router on a table? Me: Uhh, yeah, table, yeah, what you said. Sure, it's going on a table. Cisco: You'll need the rubber feet for that chassis, then. Me: Rubber feet? I uhh, ok, ok, rubber feet... sure. Cisco: Those are $40. Me: $40? Ok, rubber feet it is- you don't have anything in felt, do you? Cisco: No, rubber only. Now, you'll need four of those? Me: ??!? Yeah I would think. Cisco: You could go with three, but we don't recommend that. It'll rock a lot and you could end up with a nasty Near End Cross Talk situation... shall I put you down for four? Me: four, sure, yeah, four sounds good. Cisco: Ok, four rubber feet at $40. That's $160. Me: Hhhmmm, are we uhh, done? Cisco: Color? Me: Color? Cisco: Color. Me: For what? Cisco: router case. With no case it won't work. Me: Uhh, whatever color... I dunno. Cisco: Women work in your office? Me: Yeah, some, why? Cisco: You're not gonna want that color to clash with the tile. Me: Ok, we've got your basic beige tile. C
Boy, does that sound painfully familar. And yes, for anyone who has not had to deal with Cisco stuff, it's IS that expensive, and they DO nickle and dime you to death. Four years ago the place I used to work at decided they were going to put in Cisco stuff, over the objections of me and one other techhead. So we stood aside, let them do it - $45,000 in equipment for a 256K link (!!), 24-port switch, and a firewall. NO inside email/web/etc. Performance was utter crap, always failing, never could get any proper support ("here, try this new version. oh, yea, that version has problems, here, go back three revs"). Meanwhile the off-the-shelf 4-port Linksys Etherfast that ($180 new back then) we were using prior to this never had a problem... Cisco - we're the Microsoft of network hardware.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com "Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the Way." - Chuang-Tzu "Zen in the Martial Arts"
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Transcript of recent phone call to Cisco where I was trying to figure out what equipment I needed. Me: I think I need the Cisco 2600, can you get me a quote on that? Cisco: Sure, that's $1000. Do you want that router to do something? Me: Uhm, well, yeah. Cisco: Ok, you'll need our "Do something" module. Me: Ok, sure, how much is that. Cisco: About $1000. List price, of course. You can probably get more competitive pricing through one of our Partners. Me: Dealers? Cisco: No, partners. Me: Moving on, is that it? Cisco: Let's see. *tap*tap*tap* Oh, do you want to connect devices to that router? Me: Well, yes. Cisco: Ok, you'll need our Lan Connection Module. Me: Ok, how much is that? Cisco: $500. Without encryption or support. That'll be *tap*tap*tap* $200 more. Did you want 10base, 100 base, 10/100, or GigaBit? Me: We're 10/100 here. Cisco: Add $100. Me: Uhh, ok. Cisco: Do you have a wan? Me: Yes, that's why we're buying a router. Cisco: What kind of wan? Me: Terminates in the cloud... internet. Cisco: DSL, ADSL, T1, Fracional T1, Half caf double decaf T1, 56 kbit T1, T3, non switching T1, half switched, sometimes switched, always switched or never non-un-half switched? Me: We're uhh, full T1 here. Cisco: Ok, with csu/dsu? Me: Y... Yeah. Cisco. Ok, WIC for T1 and built in CSU/DSU... that'll add *tap*tap* $1000. Me: Wh.. o... ok. I think I've got it now. Cisco: You puttin that router on a table? Me: Uhh, yeah, table, yeah, what you said. Sure, it's going on a table. Cisco: You'll need the rubber feet for that chassis, then. Me: Rubber feet? I uhh, ok, ok, rubber feet... sure. Cisco: Those are $40. Me: $40? Ok, rubber feet it is- you don't have anything in felt, do you? Cisco: No, rubber only. Now, you'll need four of those? Me: ??!? Yeah I would think. Cisco: You could go with three, but we don't recommend that. It'll rock a lot and you could end up with a nasty Near End Cross Talk situation... shall I put you down for four? Me: four, sure, yeah, four sounds good. Cisco: Ok, four rubber feet at $40. That's $160. Me: Hhhmmm, are we uhh, done? Cisco: Color? Me: Color? Cisco: Color. Me: For what? Cisco: router case. With no case it won't work. Me: Uhh, whatever color... I dunno. Cisco: Women work in your office? Me: Yeah, some, why? Cisco: You're not gonna want that color to clash with the tile. Me: Ok, we've got your basic beige tile. C