Programming AI
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Does any one have any suggestions about programming AI? I’m just getting into it and we don’t start learning about it in Uni. for a year or so. I guess what I’m asking is; is there any good books I should read? Sites I should visit, etc. thanks, -Ben "Its funny when you stop doing things not because they’re wrong, but because you might get caught." - Unknown
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Does any one have any suggestions about programming AI? I’m just getting into it and we don’t start learning about it in Uni. for a year or so. I guess what I’m asking is; is there any good books I should read? Sites I should visit, etc. thanks, -Ben "Its funny when you stop doing things not because they’re wrong, but because you might get caught." - Unknown
I'll believe in AI when my computer starts demanding time off to hang out on the beach.
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I'll believe in AI when my computer starts demanding time off to hang out on the beach.
If you could write a really spectacular AI, maybe it could do your work for you and you could hang out at the beach. ;) "das leid schlaft in der maschine" -Einstürzende Neubauten Daniel
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If you could write a really spectacular AI, maybe it could do your work for you and you could hang out at the beach. ;) "das leid schlaft in der maschine" -Einstürzende Neubauten Daniel
But if it were "intelligent" enough to do my work for me, it would, by default, also be intelligent enough to know that work sucks, and refuse to do the work until I shared beach time with it. Any entity which mindlessly does what it is told to do, with no reward or reason for doing it, has no intelligence, artificial or otherwise - its just a machine following a set of instructions, no different than my pickup.:rose:
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But if it were "intelligent" enough to do my work for me, it would, by default, also be intelligent enough to know that work sucks, and refuse to do the work until I shared beach time with it. Any entity which mindlessly does what it is told to do, with no reward or reason for doing it, has no intelligence, artificial or otherwise - its just a machine following a set of instructions, no different than my pickup.:rose:
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Does any one have any suggestions about programming AI? I’m just getting into it and we don’t start learning about it in Uni. for a year or so. I guess what I’m asking is; is there any good books I should read? Sites I should visit, etc. thanks, -Ben "Its funny when you stop doing things not because they’re wrong, but because you might get caught." - Unknown
What kind of AI? "Artificial intelligence" or "cognitive science" are really umbrella terms for a dozen different fields. If you want a good introductory text, try "Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach", by Russell and Norvig.
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But if it were "intelligent" enough to do my work for me, it would, by default, also be intelligent enough to know that work sucks, and refuse to do the work until I shared beach time with it. Any entity which mindlessly does what it is told to do, with no reward or reason for doing it, has no intelligence, artificial or otherwise - its just a machine following a set of instructions, no different than my pickup.:rose:
But will it be willing to bite the hand that feeds it? Just threaten to pull the plug :)
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But if it were "intelligent" enough to do my work for me, it would, by default, also be intelligent enough to know that work sucks, and refuse to do the work until I shared beach time with it. Any entity which mindlessly does what it is told to do, with no reward or reason for doing it, has no intelligence, artificial or otherwise - its just a machine following a set of instructions, no different than my pickup.:rose:
But will it be willing to bite the hand that feeds it? Just threaten to pull the plug :)
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But will it be willing to bite the hand that feeds it? Just threaten to pull the plug :)
What if it pulls my plug first?:eek:
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But if it were "intelligent" enough to do my work for me, it would, by default, also be intelligent enough to know that work sucks, and refuse to do the work until I shared beach time with it. Any entity which mindlessly does what it is told to do, with no reward or reason for doing it, has no intelligence, artificial or otherwise - its just a machine following a set of instructions, no different than my pickup.:rose:
Coincidentally, I started reading the Hitch-hikers guide series for the first time in *years* a week before the great man died, and I am reminded of the cow that was bred to *want* to be eaten. You could program the personality of your AI to take great pride in it's work and regard the whole thing as somewhat more *fun* than the beach. Come to think of it, I agree. Sun burn, sand in everything, cold water, &tc. :) Christian #include "std_disclaimer.h" People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either one being made.
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Does any one have any suggestions about programming AI? I’m just getting into it and we don’t start learning about it in Uni. for a year or so. I guess what I’m asking is; is there any good books I should read? Sites I should visit, etc. thanks, -Ben "Its funny when you stop doing things not because they’re wrong, but because you might get caught." - Unknown
I am very interested in making the computer learn from a conversation. I had 10 years ago on the ZX Spectrum computer a program which was able to talk with you and learn from what you said to him...(it was far from perfect, but very interesting) Now I searched the net and found nothing...(is there someone who know where can I find something related to computer conversation learning...??)
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What kind of AI? "Artificial intelligence" or "cognitive science" are really umbrella terms for a dozen different fields. If you want a good introductory text, try "Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach", by Russell and Norvig.
Not really sure what area I’m looking at, just curious about the idea itself. Thanks for the pointer; I’ll go check out the book you mentioned. -Ben "Its funny when you stop doing things not because they’re wrong, but because you might get caught." - Unknown
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Coincidentally, I started reading the Hitch-hikers guide series for the first time in *years* a week before the great man died, and I am reminded of the cow that was bred to *want* to be eaten. You could program the personality of your AI to take great pride in it's work and regard the whole thing as somewhat more *fun* than the beach. Come to think of it, I agree. Sun burn, sand in everything, cold water, &tc. :) Christian #include "std_disclaimer.h" People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either one being made.
Of course, "beach" is just metaphor. The point is that intelligence, by definition, does what it wants to do, not what it is programmed to do. You cannot program intelligence, it is its own program. AI is one of my pet peeves, we programmers have about as much ability to create intelligence as the guy who tunes the engine of your car.
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Of course, "beach" is just metaphor. The point is that intelligence, by definition, does what it wants to do, not what it is programmed to do. You cannot program intelligence, it is its own program. AI is one of my pet peeves, we programmers have about as much ability to create intelligence as the guy who tunes the engine of your car.
Hmm.. I understand ( and understood BTW ) your point perfectly, but surely you're confusing intelligence with personality ? As soon as we write code that is able to 'learn' from experience, we write something that exibits a type of intelligence. OBviously it is not close to the complexity of our own minds, it is single minded and able to 'learn' simply by following the rules we have devised. Two people who are equally intelligent may go on to be a physicist and a plumber, depending on if their personality inclined them towards applying their intelligence to learning. Christian #include "std_disclaimer.h" People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either one being made.
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But will it be willing to bite the hand that feeds it? Just threaten to pull the plug :)
Sure, if it acquires the intelligence of a Bill Gates, a Scott McNealy or a Larry Ellison :-D ------- Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. (Francis Bacon) Nature, to be apprehended, must be obeyed. (Ayn Rand)
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Of course, "beach" is just metaphor. The point is that intelligence, by definition, does what it wants to do, not what it is programmed to do. You cannot program intelligence, it is its own program. AI is one of my pet peeves, we programmers have about as much ability to create intelligence as the guy who tunes the engine of your car.
On a serious note, I agree, Stan. I just go blank on how to start replying that kind of argument. One piece of code is certainly not intelligent, one of my friends used to say (and still says), but a billion might be, and a collection of zillions assuredly would be. As if a difference of quantity guaruntees a difference of kind to him. What then happens to the principle of concepts as open-ended classifications? [Let me mention a little more argument of the same kind here, just in passing... Cutting one tree is OK, two is OK, but you say THREE trees and... (Al Gore). Abortion in n-1th week is OK, in nth week is OK, but (n+1)th week, and... (Gore's political opponents.)] BTW, our lingo is quite old-fashioned in this thread. In research, these days, AI is considered dead. Yes, almost fully dead. The bright Emergent Future now belongs to Spiritual Robots.... What that tells me is that they just got funding for hardware in addition to software. That's all it means. ------- Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. (Francis Bacon) Nature, to be apprehended, must be obeyed. (Ayn Rand)
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I am very interested in making the computer learn from a conversation. I had 10 years ago on the ZX Spectrum computer a program which was able to talk with you and learn from what you said to him...(it was far from perfect, but very interesting) Now I searched the net and found nothing...(is there someone who know where can I find something related to computer conversation learning...??)
The closest thing you'll find to that ol'proggie is a porn game. I know the military and a few other companies are having pretty good success on the new trinary processor computers for use with AI. Instead of things being absolute or not, they have a 'maybe' in there. If you are really into AI and want to learn how, find some crackers and hackers and some other 'grey area' folks. Several piracy groups have built a fairly sophisticated AI. I am currently taking Logic so I can use all the forumlas (and how to use them properly) to develop the learning and interaction with the user(s). After that, i'm in the dark. X|
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The closest thing you'll find to that ol'proggie is a porn game. I know the military and a few other companies are having pretty good success on the new trinary processor computers for use with AI. Instead of things being absolute or not, they have a 'maybe' in there. If you are really into AI and want to learn how, find some crackers and hackers and some other 'grey area' folks. Several piracy groups have built a fairly sophisticated AI. I am currently taking Logic so I can use all the forumlas (and how to use them properly) to develop the learning and interaction with the user(s). After that, i'm in the dark. X|
It would be cool if the computer could learn not just from a conversation with the user, but give text files with articles and other stuff to read them and learn from them. Because you have to conversate a lot with the computer in order to learn something. I have downloaded WinAlice (an open source project) and it's not that smart how I would like it to be.... X|
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I'll believe in AI when my computer starts demanding time off to hang out on the beach.
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Hmm.. I understand ( and understood BTW ) your point perfectly, but surely you're confusing intelligence with personality ? As soon as we write code that is able to 'learn' from experience, we write something that exibits a type of intelligence. OBviously it is not close to the complexity of our own minds, it is single minded and able to 'learn' simply by following the rules we have devised. Two people who are equally intelligent may go on to be a physicist and a plumber, depending on if their personality inclined them towards applying their intelligence to learning. Christian #include "std_disclaimer.h" People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either one being made.
Nah, I believe that the confusion is on the part of those who believe that you can seperate intelligence from personality. Our intellect is part of a complex web of emotions. How do you program desire, want, need? How do you make a machine go out to explore space, for example, because it "wants" to satisfy its curiosity? If you could derive a machine that could do that, you would simply have gone to a lot of time and trouble to recreate what you started with - a human mind.:-O