an interesting article about Microsoft
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Definitely worth-reading: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~congy/temp/0readings/HateMicrosoft.pdf And if you know any other articles like this or completely different (praising MS), let me know. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
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Definitely worth-reading: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~congy/temp/0readings/HateMicrosoft.pdf And if you know any other articles like this or completely different (praising MS), let me know. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
Interesting, he wrote the document on a Windows PC... Other bits: Right, surely if ROI was small or zero most of us would be out of jobs? Cash flow only goes so far... Actually, thats it, stopped reading about there. What a quack. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Definitely worth-reading: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~congy/temp/0readings/HateMicrosoft.pdf And if you know any other articles like this or completely different (praising MS), let me know. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
Wow, what an impressively massive heap of anti-MS drivel :-) One thing that has always bothered me is this whole "MS is an impediment to innovation" thing. Is there some sort of list of companies and/or developer out there that are sitting twiddling their thumbs because they are unable to innovate due to Microsoft? Woke up this morning...and got myself a blog
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Definitely worth-reading: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~congy/temp/0readings/HateMicrosoft.pdf And if you know any other articles like this or completely different (praising MS), let me know. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
chopeen wrote: "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman Fantastic writer, and one of my favourites. You should read American Gods[^] if you haven't yet. It's a great book and it echoes what your sig says. :-D
"if you vote me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" - Michael P. Butler. Support Bone
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Wow, what an impressively massive heap of anti-MS drivel :-) One thing that has always bothered me is this whole "MS is an impediment to innovation" thing. Is there some sort of list of companies and/or developer out there that are sitting twiddling their thumbs because they are unable to innovate due to Microsoft? Woke up this morning...and got myself a blog
Senkwe Chanda wrote: or developer out there that are sitting twiddling their thumbs because they are unable to innovate due to Microsoft? :laugh:
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chopeen wrote: "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman Fantastic writer, and one of my favourites. You should read American Gods[^] if you haven't yet. It's a great book and it echoes what your sig says. :-D
"if you vote me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" - Michael P. Butler. Support Bone
Nick Seng wrote: You should read American Gods[^] if you haven't yet I have. It's great! I've also read: - Neverwhere, - Stardust, - Coraline, - Smoke and Mirrors - and, of course, Sandman. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
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Wow, what an impressively massive heap of anti-MS drivel :-) One thing that has always bothered me is this whole "MS is an impediment to innovation" thing. Is there some sort of list of companies and/or developer out there that are sitting twiddling their thumbs because they are unable to innovate due to Microsoft? Woke up this morning...and got myself a blog
I wouldn't call it drivel. I admit that this article is one-sided, but I found it really worth-reading. And tell me - is there really nothing that irritates you about MS? "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
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Interesting, he wrote the document on a Windows PC... Other bits: Right, surely if ROI was small or zero most of us would be out of jobs? Cash flow only goes so far... Actually, thats it, stopped reading about there. What a quack. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Interesting, he wrote the document on a Windows PC... I admit - it makes the PDF look really stupid. :). "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
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I wouldn't call it drivel. I admit that this article is one-sided, but I found it really worth-reading. And tell me - is there really nothing that irritates you about MS? "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
Yes there are lots of things that irritate me about MS. For example, some of their software hasn't been very good, e.g, The Win9x series of OS's, the somewhat clumsy developer tools that ship with SQL Server, the price of their office suites etc etc. That said, the article is still DRIVEL. [['NT' stands for 'New Technology', presumably because Windows NT is one of the few products in the history of Microsoft that they didn't buy.]] ummm yeah except NT standing for "New Technology" is a myth [[And of course much of the coding on NT was done by Microsoft engineers, so in the end the quality of NT's final code wasn't even in the same league as VMS.]] In other words Dave Cutler suddenly ceased to be in control of the quality of code that went into HIS kernel?? :laugh: [[Excel, originally developed on the Apple platform, doesn't really do anything that Lotus-123 couldn't do in the eighties]] :laugh: is this guy serious?? [[All you need to offer network-based applications and services today is a Unix server, a bunch of applications and some graphic terminals]] Sun's been there, done that, had to sell the T-shirt to try to make ends meet I don't need to go on. No software is perfect, but I'm perfectly happy with my rock solid Win2k and XP machines at the moment :-) Woke up this morning...and got myself a blog
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Definitely worth-reading: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~congy/temp/0readings/HateMicrosoft.pdf And if you know any other articles like this or completely different (praising MS), let me know. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
I'll admit I didn't read the whole document (I got about 30 pages in and then skipped to the conclusion, which was a load of linux-fanboy and Bill-Is-Satan web sites), but it sure was a load of whining! Plus I'm pretty sure there were omissions where his technical criticism overlooked important implementation details (one that I can think of - how the support for DOS and 16-bit Windows actually works in NT based systems - through an abstraction layer on top of the underlying operating system (Windows on Win32), not a kludge of 16 bit code directly into it.) Sorry, but that was not worth reading. If I want Microsoft bashing, I'll go to slashdot. Fair criticism is one thing - vituperation is quite another. To counter balance this, I'll have to post this article about the development of NT into 2003: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winserver2k3_gold1.asp[^] -- Ian Darling "The moral of the story is that with a contrived example, you can prove anything." - Joel Spolsky
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Yes there are lots of things that irritate me about MS. For example, some of their software hasn't been very good, e.g, The Win9x series of OS's, the somewhat clumsy developer tools that ship with SQL Server, the price of their office suites etc etc. That said, the article is still DRIVEL. [['NT' stands for 'New Technology', presumably because Windows NT is one of the few products in the history of Microsoft that they didn't buy.]] ummm yeah except NT standing for "New Technology" is a myth [[And of course much of the coding on NT was done by Microsoft engineers, so in the end the quality of NT's final code wasn't even in the same league as VMS.]] In other words Dave Cutler suddenly ceased to be in control of the quality of code that went into HIS kernel?? :laugh: [[Excel, originally developed on the Apple platform, doesn't really do anything that Lotus-123 couldn't do in the eighties]] :laugh: is this guy serious?? [[All you need to offer network-based applications and services today is a Unix server, a bunch of applications and some graphic terminals]] Sun's been there, done that, had to sell the T-shirt to try to make ends meet I don't need to go on. No software is perfect, but I'm perfectly happy with my rock solid Win2k and XP machines at the moment :-) Woke up this morning...and got myself a blog
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I'll admit I didn't read the whole document (I got about 30 pages in and then skipped to the conclusion, which was a load of linux-fanboy and Bill-Is-Satan web sites), but it sure was a load of whining! Plus I'm pretty sure there were omissions where his technical criticism overlooked important implementation details (one that I can think of - how the support for DOS and 16-bit Windows actually works in NT based systems - through an abstraction layer on top of the underlying operating system (Windows on Win32), not a kludge of 16 bit code directly into it.) Sorry, but that was not worth reading. If I want Microsoft bashing, I'll go to slashdot. Fair criticism is one thing - vituperation is quite another. To counter balance this, I'll have to post this article about the development of NT into 2003: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winserver2k3_gold1.asp[^] -- Ian Darling "The moral of the story is that with a contrived example, you can prove anything." - Joel Spolsky
Agree with you... :rolleyes: "Courage choose who will follow, Fate choose who will lead" - Lord Gunner, Septerra Core "Press any key to continue, where's the ANY key ?" - Homer Simpsons
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Definitely worth-reading: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~congy/temp/0readings/HateMicrosoft.pdf And if you know any other articles like this or completely different (praising MS), let me know. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
While at the start, the article reasoning seems mostly right, there are some misinformation that simply scream "I'm a lie!". Here are some of them: "The upcoming .Net strategy involves simple client systems that will be used to access server-based or network-based applications and services. This is in fact an implementation of the ASP (Application Service Providing) concept. ASP moves applications from the workstation to a central server. This does away with the need to install, maintain and run application software locally on workstations." - No comments. This guy never opened VS.NET. "If you look in the executables in the Windows directory, you find internal labels like "ProductName: Microsoft Windows (TM) operating system, ProductVersion: 3.10". There's even DOS 5.0 code with a 1981-1991 copyright date. What a great new product." - What does he expect? A rewrite from the scratch for each new version? When was the last time "cat" code rewritten from scratch on Linux or any other OS? "In short, all 16-bit applications share one 16-bit subsystem (just as with OS/2). There's no internal memory protection, so one 16-bit application may crash all the others and the the entire 16-bit subsystem as well." - There's this checkbox "Run in separate memory space", can anyone tell me what it does? "This may create persistent locks from the crashed 16 -bit code on 32-bit resources, and eventually bring Windows to a halt." - This is simply untrue. "Windows XP for example comes loaded with more applications and features than ever before." and "XP is a minor update of Windows 2000 that coincides with the discontinuation of the 9x/ME line, as part of Microsoft's repositioning of their Windows product lines." He even contradicts himself. "Windows doesn't share static code - if you run 10 instances of Word, the bulk of the code will be loaded into memory 10 times." - Can he define what's a "working set", then? "The main problem with DLL support is that the OS keeps track of DLLs by name only. There is no adequate signature system to keep track of different DLL versions." - Just like that OS does, erm, mmm, does anyone remember which OS does it? "Then there's Windows' lack of an adequate repair or maintenance mode." - He should try to recover a UNIX system. Just for fun, a trivial one: change the default shell for the root user for a non-existing executable, or deny access to it and then try to recover your system from this. It is possible, but you
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Yes there are lots of things that irritate me about MS. For example, some of their software hasn't been very good, e.g, The Win9x series of OS's, the somewhat clumsy developer tools that ship with SQL Server, the price of their office suites etc etc. That said, the article is still DRIVEL. [['NT' stands for 'New Technology', presumably because Windows NT is one of the few products in the history of Microsoft that they didn't buy.]] ummm yeah except NT standing for "New Technology" is a myth [[And of course much of the coding on NT was done by Microsoft engineers, so in the end the quality of NT's final code wasn't even in the same league as VMS.]] In other words Dave Cutler suddenly ceased to be in control of the quality of code that went into HIS kernel?? :laugh: [[Excel, originally developed on the Apple platform, doesn't really do anything that Lotus-123 couldn't do in the eighties]] :laugh: is this guy serious?? [[All you need to offer network-based applications and services today is a Unix server, a bunch of applications and some graphic terminals]] Sun's been there, done that, had to sell the T-shirt to try to make ends meet I don't need to go on. No software is perfect, but I'm perfectly happy with my rock solid Win2k and XP machines at the moment :-) Woke up this morning...and got myself a blog
Senkwe Chanda wrote: I don't need to go on. No software is perfect, but I'm perfectly happy with my rock solid Win2k and XP machines at the moment Fair enough. And thanks for all the comments. I don't want to complain about MS not knowing anything, to complain only because it's trendy. And that's why I started this discussion. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
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True. But I am trying not to behave like this. That's why I use both Windows and Linux. That's why I read various (not only anti-MS!) articles. That's why I discuss with people. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
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True. But I am trying not to behave like this. That's why I use both Windows and Linux. That's why I read various (not only anti-MS!) articles. That's why I discuss with people. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
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Yes there are lots of things that irritate me about MS. For example, some of their software hasn't been very good, e.g, The Win9x series of OS's, the somewhat clumsy developer tools that ship with SQL Server, the price of their office suites etc etc. That said, the article is still DRIVEL. [['NT' stands for 'New Technology', presumably because Windows NT is one of the few products in the history of Microsoft that they didn't buy.]] ummm yeah except NT standing for "New Technology" is a myth [[And of course much of the coding on NT was done by Microsoft engineers, so in the end the quality of NT's final code wasn't even in the same league as VMS.]] In other words Dave Cutler suddenly ceased to be in control of the quality of code that went into HIS kernel?? :laugh: [[Excel, originally developed on the Apple platform, doesn't really do anything that Lotus-123 couldn't do in the eighties]] :laugh: is this guy serious?? [[All you need to offer network-based applications and services today is a Unix server, a bunch of applications and some graphic terminals]] Sun's been there, done that, had to sell the T-shirt to try to make ends meet I don't need to go on. No software is perfect, but I'm perfectly happy with my rock solid Win2k and XP machines at the moment :-) Woke up this morning...and got myself a blog
Senkwe Chanda wrote: rock solid Heh.
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Yes. But, out of curiosity, for my lack of experience in Linux (really), is M$ really an inferior product? I never really looked into the matter before.
I, for one, would switch to Linux, if I could. Here goes a few reasons why: 1. it's free, 2. it's Open Source, 3. it's more stable (though it does not mean that you cannot crush a computer running on Linux), 4. it's more secure, 5. it's more powerful (although it's possible that I think so, only because I'm not Windows administrator and I don't know how to do many things), 6. it ask users whether they want to do something. On the other hand, I admit that Windows is more user-friendly and easier to use for people who aren't computer geeks and computers are so popular today because of MS. Linux is still far too complicated for majority of computer users. However, my company uses MS software, so I cannot use Linux as much as I could. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
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Definitely worth-reading: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~congy/temp/0readings/HateMicrosoft.pdf And if you know any other articles like this or completely different (praising MS), let me know. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: rock solid Heh.
hehe, I know it sounds wierd but of my 3 PC's the only one that gives me trouble is my Win2K3 box. The other machines only get a reboot when patches are installed (which sucks but hey). I only turned them off by choice for the week I was out of the country. Maybe I've just been very lucky. Woke up this morning...and got myself a blog