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I never understood the meaning of the RSS button until yesterday reading an technical article on a Linux magazine talking about RSS readers. I've try one freeware reader on the web, and now I'm really enthusiast about the thing. Here my suggestion: near the [RSS] button – or on the left column menu - a small link to a "how to" or “what is this?” page explaining the meaning and the way to use it, with the list of all the RSS links that Codeproject offers (I mean the category list) and a list of the useful articles posted in Codeproject about the argument (like this[^] for sample or simply an auto search list). Another point is to change the RSS gif button with a “text” write link – or add a RSS in the menu column on the left - this to allow the “search” in the web page or by an external search engine. Now my “next step” will be to bother some of the web sites I normally visit to make them add their own RSS... :cool: John A. Johnson
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I never understood the meaning of the RSS button until yesterday reading an technical article on a Linux magazine talking about RSS readers. I've try one freeware reader on the web, and now I'm really enthusiast about the thing. Here my suggestion: near the [RSS] button – or on the left column menu - a small link to a "how to" or “what is this?” page explaining the meaning and the way to use it, with the list of all the RSS links that Codeproject offers (I mean the category list) and a list of the useful articles posted in Codeproject about the argument (like this[^] for sample or simply an auto search list). Another point is to change the RSS gif button with a “text” write link – or add a RSS in the menu column on the left - this to allow the “search” in the web page or by an external search engine. Now my “next step” will be to bother some of the web sites I normally visit to make them add their own RSS... :cool: John A. Johnson
Because that RSS button is pretty much de facto button and practically everybody these days knows what it is. Why waste precious page real estate for something so commonly known? I realize you're new to RSS, but RSS has been around for a LONG time (for a while, under the guise of RDF). CodeProject is pretty much doing it how everyone else is doing it. It's not meant to be painfully obvious. Many site don't even use an image, so be glad that CodeProject does!
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Because that RSS button is pretty much de facto button and practically everybody these days knows what it is. Why waste precious page real estate for something so commonly known? I realize you're new to RSS, but RSS has been around for a LONG time (for a while, under the guise of RDF). CodeProject is pretty much doing it how everyone else is doing it. It's not meant to be painfully obvious. Many site don't even use an image, so be glad that CodeProject does!
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Heath Stewart wrote: Why waste precious page real estate for something so commonly known? So sure? Lately I'm teaching this RSS thing to a lot of webmasters (to implement) and "common" users (to use)... ;P It's not so unfrequent that people watch me as I come from Mars! Anyway sorry, I didn't like this sentence - seems quite a separation from dummies and gods. Heath Stewart wrote: RSS has been around for a LONG time Yes, true, I've notice it on CP, but apart from CP I never got more about it. I don’t "waste" my time navigating in blogs (or almost nobody have discover me yet :-O). So for me the first opportunity to try, was given by a LINUX newspaper magazine (got only to understand some more about Lx because in that area I’m less than a beginner). Heath Stewart wrote: Many site don't even use an image, so be glad that CodeProject does! I agree that a "change" can be a bad thing, but I was proposing 2 options: the second was to add a text RSS link some were in the left menu - it's useful for search engines to catalogue and to free search a text in a web page with the "search" option of the browser (Ctrl+F). For sample when I develop some web sites, the buttons are always iconic graphics - I always prefer to put text link on the pages (or I put them both in the same page) - this is only a personal choice - thats why I like CP more than others (that abuse of Flash or Graphics). ... and you're luck that CP is so slow lately that I took 20 minutes to open the reply page to answer to your post, so I have time to calm down and get angry for other reasons... To end, I think that first of all, CP is a technical developer web site with a clear teaching mission and haves to work for different levels of knowledge, beginners (what for) intermediate (how to) and advanced (what else). Never discourage a beginner. CP is free to get the suggestion or not... better to ignore sometimes, thanks for the lesson. :cool:
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Heath Stewart wrote: Why waste precious page real estate for something so commonly known? So sure? Lately I'm teaching this RSS thing to a lot of webmasters (to implement) and "common" users (to use)... ;P It's not so unfrequent that people watch me as I come from Mars! Anyway sorry, I didn't like this sentence - seems quite a separation from dummies and gods. Heath Stewart wrote: RSS has been around for a LONG time Yes, true, I've notice it on CP, but apart from CP I never got more about it. I don’t "waste" my time navigating in blogs (or almost nobody have discover me yet :-O). So for me the first opportunity to try, was given by a LINUX newspaper magazine (got only to understand some more about Lx because in that area I’m less than a beginner). Heath Stewart wrote: Many site don't even use an image, so be glad that CodeProject does! I agree that a "change" can be a bad thing, but I was proposing 2 options: the second was to add a text RSS link some were in the left menu - it's useful for search engines to catalogue and to free search a text in a web page with the "search" option of the browser (Ctrl+F). For sample when I develop some web sites, the buttons are always iconic graphics - I always prefer to put text link on the pages (or I put them both in the same page) - this is only a personal choice - thats why I like CP more than others (that abuse of Flash or Graphics). ... and you're luck that CP is so slow lately that I took 20 minutes to open the reply page to answer to your post, so I have time to calm down and get angry for other reasons... To end, I think that first of all, CP is a technical developer web site with a clear teaching mission and haves to work for different levels of knowledge, beginners (what for) intermediate (how to) and advanced (what else). Never discourage a beginner. CP is free to get the suggestion or not... better to ignore sometimes, thanks for the lesson. :cool:
A sleepy one wrote: Yes, true, I've notice it on CP, but apart from CP I never got more about it. I don’t "waste" my time navigating in blogs (or almost nobody have discover me yet ). Nor do I, except for some blogs used by programmers (like Chris Sells et. al.). RSS is used for way more than just blogs and has been around before blogging became popular. Slashdot uses it, as well as many open-source community-driven web sites. The Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) recently started using it to display the new headlines for various different sections. They use the same image as Chris does on CodeProject. The point about the real estate involved is that RSS is an alternative view to a web site. The primary page is supposed to be what it is - relevent text, images, and banner ads (if necessary). On most pages, the RSS image sticks out because of its color. On CodeProject, however, the color is about the same as the orange throughout the site (which I like, Chris). Yes, you are free to suggest but I'm also free to voice my opinion. Look at the other threads for suggestions to the site. Most include discussions. And I really don't care if you're angry or not. Open forums like this are filled with opinions and most times peoples' opinions don't agree. If you get mad about something someone wrote, you should probably stay indoors and offline: this world is full of opinions and critisism.
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A sleepy one wrote: Yes, true, I've notice it on CP, but apart from CP I never got more about it. I don’t "waste" my time navigating in blogs (or almost nobody have discover me yet ). Nor do I, except for some blogs used by programmers (like Chris Sells et. al.). RSS is used for way more than just blogs and has been around before blogging became popular. Slashdot uses it, as well as many open-source community-driven web sites. The Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) recently started using it to display the new headlines for various different sections. They use the same image as Chris does on CodeProject. The point about the real estate involved is that RSS is an alternative view to a web site. The primary page is supposed to be what it is - relevent text, images, and banner ads (if necessary). On most pages, the RSS image sticks out because of its color. On CodeProject, however, the color is about the same as the orange throughout the site (which I like, Chris). Yes, you are free to suggest but I'm also free to voice my opinion. Look at the other threads for suggestions to the site. Most include discussions. And I really don't care if you're angry or not. Open forums like this are filled with opinions and most times peoples' opinions don't agree. If you get mad about something someone wrote, you should probably stay indoors and offline: this world is full of opinions and critisism.
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Ok, ok, 2 deaf - keep your opinion, you won. So lets resume, please take the following with irony: 1. RSS is the most popular alternative to view a web and only dummies don't know about it and don't deserve to understand some more (thank you for the statistical report of the RSS usage in the full world). 2. RSS bitmapped buttons are perfect (don't understand why you insist in this point, in my second post I was hoping to be more clear about it... was the "Chris" name called really necessary? Right Jesus?). Heath Stewart wrote: If you get mad about something someone wrote, you should probably stay indoors and offline: this world is full of opinions and critisism Your previous post didn’t sound to me like something that gives space to a discussion; anyway I made my try to keep it open – I was the one who open the thread, right? Why: Heath Stewart wrote (2 posts above): Because that RSS button is pretty much de facto button and practically everybody these days knows what it is. Why waste precious page real estate for something so commonly known? You put a "fact" affirmation in what should be an "opinion" without material to give me reference to grow in that direction - the "waste" was inappropriate - anyway I’ll gain some more knowlege and money on that "waste" working with more skilled people (on ASP/PHP). The point: searching in the web, I find more "how to make an RSS" than "what for" and "how to use RSS"; no RSS dictionaries and for the most common web sites I look at, don’t have RSS a bitmapped button (or RSS reference as well - makes no difference). The first time I click on the CP/RSS button, a XML text come out - my conclusions that time where: "good, if someone wants to add CP news in their web site, this is useful", but I didn’t know about the existence of RSS readers - sorry If I’m "dummy". Let me share this experience: sometimes CP members contact me directly with private messages or emails because they don't feel to post a question or a suggestion in CP message boards - this because the "experts" ones will post things that are called "opinions", but at the end are not and make discrimination. These attitudes push people "indoors" and "offline", and sorry if I insist, people never deserves to be pushed away. People are free to say what they want (word freedom - but sometimes "moderators" kill their voice anyway). I didn’t kill your voice, and I was free to let you kn
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Ok, ok, 2 deaf - keep your opinion, you won. So lets resume, please take the following with irony: 1. RSS is the most popular alternative to view a web and only dummies don't know about it and don't deserve to understand some more (thank you for the statistical report of the RSS usage in the full world). 2. RSS bitmapped buttons are perfect (don't understand why you insist in this point, in my second post I was hoping to be more clear about it... was the "Chris" name called really necessary? Right Jesus?). Heath Stewart wrote: If you get mad about something someone wrote, you should probably stay indoors and offline: this world is full of opinions and critisism Your previous post didn’t sound to me like something that gives space to a discussion; anyway I made my try to keep it open – I was the one who open the thread, right? Why: Heath Stewart wrote (2 posts above): Because that RSS button is pretty much de facto button and practically everybody these days knows what it is. Why waste precious page real estate for something so commonly known? You put a "fact" affirmation in what should be an "opinion" without material to give me reference to grow in that direction - the "waste" was inappropriate - anyway I’ll gain some more knowlege and money on that "waste" working with more skilled people (on ASP/PHP). The point: searching in the web, I find more "how to make an RSS" than "what for" and "how to use RSS"; no RSS dictionaries and for the most common web sites I look at, don’t have RSS a bitmapped button (or RSS reference as well - makes no difference). The first time I click on the CP/RSS button, a XML text come out - my conclusions that time where: "good, if someone wants to add CP news in their web site, this is useful", but I didn’t know about the existence of RSS readers - sorry If I’m "dummy". Let me share this experience: sometimes CP members contact me directly with private messages or emails because they don't feel to post a question or a suggestion in CP message boards - this because the "experts" ones will post things that are called "opinions", but at the end are not and make discrimination. These attitudes push people "indoors" and "offline", and sorry if I insist, people never deserves to be pushed away. People are free to say what they want (word freedom - but sometimes "moderators" kill their voice anyway). I didn’t kill your voice, and I was free to let you kn
Is the responsibility of every web site that chooses to employ RSS to educate everyone about RSS? Should we next make every word longer than 4 letters and every acronym a link to a dictionary or a jargon file? Welcome to the age of information resources (actually, this started about 20+ years ago in academia and grew fast with HTTP and HTML). There's search engines like google that can tell you anything. If someone doesn't know what "RSS" is, google will give them more than enough links to more information. The point is that sites like CodeProject and MSDN (just to name a few development sites that use RSS) dedicate their web page real estate to what the site is about - development. If you haven't noticed, Chris (the creator and sysadmin of CodeProject) has packed the front page with lots of information, and the little RSS button fits nicely in the headers. And when I say "de facto", I mean that RSS logo is used by most sites. If you go to the official RSS 2.0 specification web site - http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss[^] - it uses a similar icon with "XML". The blogging community et. al. decided that one with "RSS" makes more sense. There's a history there. It isn't required, but it's common and therefore recognized as an icon (just like the Nike "Swish" is a recognizable icon, for example). So, in closing, it's not the responsibility of every site that uses RSS to educate people on RSS. If they want to know, they can search for it themselves.
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I never understood the meaning of the RSS button until yesterday reading an technical article on a Linux magazine talking about RSS readers. I've try one freeware reader on the web, and now I'm really enthusiast about the thing. Here my suggestion: near the [RSS] button – or on the left column menu - a small link to a "how to" or “what is this?” page explaining the meaning and the way to use it, with the list of all the RSS links that Codeproject offers (I mean the category list) and a list of the useful articles posted in Codeproject about the argument (like this[^] for sample or simply an auto search list). Another point is to change the RSS gif button with a “text” write link – or add a RSS in the menu column on the left - this to allow the “search” in the web page or by an external search engine. Now my “next step” will be to bother some of the web sites I normally visit to make them add their own RSS... :cool: John A. Johnson
Personally, i rather like the traditional minimalistic [RSS] links... but i do see the value in providing some information to those not familiar with the technique. Perhaps comments could be added to the XML feed, giving unwary readers a heads-up? Something like:
<!-- This is an RSS feed. While you *could* read it as-is, that's not much fun. Search around and find RSS reader software, then point it to this URL - enjoy! -->
Alternately, something like this: RSS ...keeps it clean, while providing some more info to the uninitiated. :)
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Personally, i rather like the traditional minimalistic [RSS] links... but i do see the value in providing some information to those not familiar with the technique. Perhaps comments could be added to the XML feed, giving unwary readers a heads-up? Something like:
<!-- This is an RSS feed. While you *could* read it as-is, that's not much fun. Search around and find RSS reader software, then point it to this URL - enjoy! -->
Alternately, something like this: RSS ...keeps it clean, while providing some more info to the uninitiated. :)
--- the work, which will become a new genre unto itself, will be called...Shog9 wrote: Personally, i rather like the traditional minimalistic [RSS] links... I must admit that it's for sure the best choice, The help cursor is really cool! Of course, the CP look must remain untouched so... I agree, a small simple implementation sample speaks more than words... Here was the idea of my suggestion (apart that the RSS button was replaced with text because I was not able to use the <img> tag)
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and... on the left, under the "other stuff" menu pane (on the bottom of CP home page):