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IMO, certification is a joke. I know more idiots with certification than bright developers without. I see it happening all the time. Unfortunately, employers seem to care about such nonsense. If it were to come down to two people seemingly equally qualified except that one was certified - they'd probably get the job. All it really means is that they spent a lot on books (typically), probably quite a bit on practice exams, and spent several hundred dollars (at least) on taking certification exams. So, if you want that extra edge, go for it. But keep in mind that it really proves nothing to the real developers (and other certified technical positions) who know better. See my message board[^] for more rants (which was largely spurred by people in some of the forums asking the dumbest questions, stating that they were studying for their certification exams). Knowing and understanding are two entirely different things.
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Heath Stewart wrote: certification is a joke I Agree Heath Stewart wrote: I know more idiots with certification than bright developers without I Agree Heath Stewart wrote: But keep in mind that it really proves nothing to the real developers I Agree Heath Stewart wrote: If it were to come down to two people seemingly equally qualified except that one was certified - they'd probably get the job The Reason If one sees my biodata, it shows (or claims) that i know vc++, c++, c, assembly, etc I was on the interview panel few months ago and many ppl had these certificates to maybe justify their claim... But in the end i guess it all depends on who the interviewer is as i did not give any credits to the certificates they had. Prakash.
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IMO, certification is a joke. I know more idiots with certification than bright developers without. I see it happening all the time. Unfortunately, employers seem to care about such nonsense. If it were to come down to two people seemingly equally qualified except that one was certified - they'd probably get the job. All it really means is that they spent a lot on books (typically), probably quite a bit on practice exams, and spent several hundred dollars (at least) on taking certification exams. So, if you want that extra edge, go for it. But keep in mind that it really proves nothing to the real developers (and other certified technical positions) who know better. See my message board[^] for more rants (which was largely spurred by people in some of the forums asking the dumbest questions, stating that they were studying for their certification exams). Knowing and understanding are two entirely different things.
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I say that if you want to study for something, study for a degree, and get a widely accepted fairly generic qualification that is valid for some time. A certification is just that, not evidence of any real education, but only of compentency to pass a set of product specific examinations, based on product specific crash courses. I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning. - Aleister Crowley
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I'll be there! Regards, João Paulo (Embedded MVP)
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I'd like to, but I don't know if I can afford the time or money. Work is always busy (we're grossly understaffed and underfunded and I somehow have to divy up the work of 4 people to myself and another developer). It sounds like a lot of fun. Did any MVPs go last year? What was it like?
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Can a "Most Valuable Professional" drink more that "Not Most Valuable Professional", that is the real question: who is going to fall first under the table :) Jonathan de Halleux.
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Can a "Most Valuable Professional" drink more that "Not Most Valuable Professional", that is the real question: who is going to fall first under the table :) Jonathan de Halleux.
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IMO, certification is a joke. I know more idiots with certification than bright developers without. I see it happening all the time. Unfortunately, employers seem to care about such nonsense. If it were to come down to two people seemingly equally qualified except that one was certified - they'd probably get the job. All it really means is that they spent a lot on books (typically), probably quite a bit on practice exams, and spent several hundred dollars (at least) on taking certification exams. So, if you want that extra edge, go for it. But keep in mind that it really proves nothing to the real developers (and other certified technical positions) who know better. See my message board[^] for more rants (which was largely spurred by people in some of the forums asking the dumbest questions, stating that they were studying for their certification exams). Knowing and understanding are two entirely different things.
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Heath Stewart wrote: IMO, certification is a joke ...... I agree with everything you said. The real problem is the HR departments and the people doing the interviews. They are so gutless that they use certifications as an excuse for filtering applicants. Regardz Colin J Davies
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I suppose a MVP wife sends a message on microsoft.*.... saying "diner is ready" to unplug her MVP out of the computer :) Jonathan de Halleux.
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I suppose a MVP wife sends a message on microsoft.*.... saying "diner is ready" to unplug her MVP out of the computer :) Jonathan de Halleux.
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I say that if you want to study for something, study for a degree, and get a widely accepted fairly generic qualification that is valid for some time. A certification is just that, not evidence of any real education, but only of compentency to pass a set of product specific examinations, based on product specific crash courses. I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning. - Aleister Crowley
Again, I draw your attention to my comment, "there is a difference between knowledge and understanding". Because one memorized the answers or may know how to answer those types of questions doesn't mean they understand it. Yes, they got 80% or more of the answers right on a test, but that still doesn't prove that they get it. This field is an art like many other fields. You either get it or you don't. Some people have to struggle to get it; to others, it's like second nature. It's those that don't fit into this catagory (like those that are too lazy to even read the SDKs in part or in whole) that, IMO, don't deserve the certification to fool employers who don't know any better. That's the unfortunate part: too many employers find certification proof of understanding. I'm sure that in companies where the programming leads are doing the hiring (like I do for our company, but we're small so that doesn't really count), this isn't such a problem. They should at least know the content of such tests and know that it isn't exactly proof of concept.
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I'd like to go, if Chris lets me ;P Marcie (ASP.NET MVP) Day Job, CP!: http://www.codeproject.com Datagrid Stuff: http://www.datagridgirl.com