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    Jan van den Baard
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    Hello people, I just got back from a couple of weeks vacation in New Zealand where I took a _lot_ of pictures with my Canon EOS 300 camera. When I got these developed and printed I was... well suffice it to say that I was very dissapointed in the results :(( I also had a small HP 3.2 mp digital camera with me which took much better pictures than the EOS 300 SLR. I took picture of the same objects at the same position with both camera's and the difference is astounding. Now I am not a very good photographer and perhaps I did not use good film but the difference between the digital and the normal photo's is to big to just blame myself. To make a long story short I am thinking of going all digital. Since I do want a SLR camera I was thinking of investing in a EOS 300D body since this way I can also use the lenses from the EOS 300. Do any of you know/use this camera and/or have any tips, ideas or alternatives. Perhaps a few good links to sites telling me some more about taking good pictures might help also because I never want pictures like that anymore when I just travelled to the other side of the world :mad: Thanks, Jan We are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world. - Tyler Durden

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      Hello people, I just got back from a couple of weeks vacation in New Zealand where I took a _lot_ of pictures with my Canon EOS 300 camera. When I got these developed and printed I was... well suffice it to say that I was very dissapointed in the results :(( I also had a small HP 3.2 mp digital camera with me which took much better pictures than the EOS 300 SLR. I took picture of the same objects at the same position with both camera's and the difference is astounding. Now I am not a very good photographer and perhaps I did not use good film but the difference between the digital and the normal photo's is to big to just blame myself. To make a long story short I am thinking of going all digital. Since I do want a SLR camera I was thinking of investing in a EOS 300D body since this way I can also use the lenses from the EOS 300. Do any of you know/use this camera and/or have any tips, ideas or alternatives. Perhaps a few good links to sites telling me some more about taking good pictures might help also because I never want pictures like that anymore when I just travelled to the other side of the world :mad: Thanks, Jan We are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world. - Tyler Durden

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      Did you turn the little rings on the lens that make the blurry parts go away? ;) What a piece of work is man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable . . . and yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? -- Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

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        Hello people, I just got back from a couple of weeks vacation in New Zealand where I took a _lot_ of pictures with my Canon EOS 300 camera. When I got these developed and printed I was... well suffice it to say that I was very dissapointed in the results :(( I also had a small HP 3.2 mp digital camera with me which took much better pictures than the EOS 300 SLR. I took picture of the same objects at the same position with both camera's and the difference is astounding. Now I am not a very good photographer and perhaps I did not use good film but the difference between the digital and the normal photo's is to big to just blame myself. To make a long story short I am thinking of going all digital. Since I do want a SLR camera I was thinking of investing in a EOS 300D body since this way I can also use the lenses from the EOS 300. Do any of you know/use this camera and/or have any tips, ideas or alternatives. Perhaps a few good links to sites telling me some more about taking good pictures might help also because I never want pictures like that anymore when I just travelled to the other side of the world :mad: Thanks, Jan We are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world. - Tyler Durden

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        The 300D is a very good entry-level DSLR. A lot of people have bought it and have been very happy. You won't go wrong buying it if you are happy with your HP 3.2mp shots, the 300D will do an even better job than that. I have the 10D which uses the same sensor and the results are great IMO. Checkout the 300D review on DPReview for more info. I was going to recommend that you actually buy the Nikon D70 (Megan Forbes just got one) rather than the Canon EOS 300D as it is a better camera and almost the same price. But seeing as you already have Canon lenses the 300D would be better for you (how many Canon lenses are we talking? 2, 3, 10? If just one or two then I would say look into switching to the Nikon D70, it is a beauty.) As for taking good photos there is only one way to do that, practice. You can learn the theory and ask for help on photo.net though, that is the best photo site on the net. But that is just theory. Just curious but what was "wrong" with your Canon EOS 300 photographs? I have the Canon EOS 300V as well and have, if I may say so myself, taken some good photographs with it. I used mainly Fuji Velvia film. With film photography it is the lens and film that count, not the body. Different story in digital photography. I have taken some horrendous photographs with the 300V, but then I have taken some shockers with my new 10D as well. Switching to digital won't make better photographs. Practice will. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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          The 300D is a very good entry-level DSLR. A lot of people have bought it and have been very happy. You won't go wrong buying it if you are happy with your HP 3.2mp shots, the 300D will do an even better job than that. I have the 10D which uses the same sensor and the results are great IMO. Checkout the 300D review on DPReview for more info. I was going to recommend that you actually buy the Nikon D70 (Megan Forbes just got one) rather than the Canon EOS 300D as it is a better camera and almost the same price. But seeing as you already have Canon lenses the 300D would be better for you (how many Canon lenses are we talking? 2, 3, 10? If just one or two then I would say look into switching to the Nikon D70, it is a beauty.) As for taking good photos there is only one way to do that, practice. You can learn the theory and ask for help on photo.net though, that is the best photo site on the net. But that is just theory. Just curious but what was "wrong" with your Canon EOS 300 photographs? I have the Canon EOS 300V as well and have, if I may say so myself, taken some good photographs with it. I used mainly Fuji Velvia film. With film photography it is the lens and film that count, not the body. Different story in digital photography. I have taken some horrendous photographs with the 300V, but then I have taken some shockers with my new 10D as well. Switching to digital won't make better photographs. Practice will. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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          Paul Watson wrote: I was going to recommend that you actually buy the Nikon D70 (Megan Forbes just got one) rather than the Canon EOS 300D as it is a better camera and almost the same price. But seeing as you already have Canon lenses the 300D would be better for you (how many Canon lenses are we talking? 2, 3, 10? If just one or two then I would say look into switching to the Nikon D70, it is a beauty.) I will certanly have a look at this camera aswell. I have two lenses with the eos, a 28-90mm and 70-300 mm. That should not be a problem. It would be nice to be able to use these lenses but it is not a "requirement". Paul Watson wrote: As for taking good photos there is only one way to do that, practice. You can learn the theory and ask for help on photo.net though, that is the best photo site on the net. But that is just theory. So true. I know that practice makes (almost) perfect but I usually get good results with this camera using the film I used in New Zealand. Only this time results were very bad. Paul Watson wrote: Just curious but what was "wrong" with your Canon EOS 300 photographs? I have the Canon EOS 300V as well and have, if I may say so myself, taken some good photographs with it. I used mainly Fuji Velvia film. With film photography it is the lens and film that count, not the body. Different story in digital photography. Well, the pictures are sharp but they mostly have bad colors. Also, and this is most likely my fault, there are problems with light and dark area's on the pictures. It is a bit difficult to explain but if for example I take two pictures of a running river, one taken with the digital camara and one with the eos at the same position at almost exactly the same time you can clearly see the "definition" of the water on the digital picture where in the normal picture the water is simply white. Both camera's where on automatic setting and I used ISO200 film. Perhaps this has to do with exposure time aswell but since it was daylight I don't think so. Also the contrast between the darker and lighter area's on the digital picture is much better. I do not think the camera is a fault here. Maybe the film I used is, a local brand, and most likely I am. The problem I now have with film is that I cannot judge the result when I take the picture whereas I can when doing digital stills. I was really disappointed with the results of my New Zealand vacation. I do have a few very good pi

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            Paul Watson wrote: I was going to recommend that you actually buy the Nikon D70 (Megan Forbes just got one) rather than the Canon EOS 300D as it is a better camera and almost the same price. But seeing as you already have Canon lenses the 300D would be better for you (how many Canon lenses are we talking? 2, 3, 10? If just one or two then I would say look into switching to the Nikon D70, it is a beauty.) I will certanly have a look at this camera aswell. I have two lenses with the eos, a 28-90mm and 70-300 mm. That should not be a problem. It would be nice to be able to use these lenses but it is not a "requirement". Paul Watson wrote: As for taking good photos there is only one way to do that, practice. You can learn the theory and ask for help on photo.net though, that is the best photo site on the net. But that is just theory. So true. I know that practice makes (almost) perfect but I usually get good results with this camera using the film I used in New Zealand. Only this time results were very bad. Paul Watson wrote: Just curious but what was "wrong" with your Canon EOS 300 photographs? I have the Canon EOS 300V as well and have, if I may say so myself, taken some good photographs with it. I used mainly Fuji Velvia film. With film photography it is the lens and film that count, not the body. Different story in digital photography. Well, the pictures are sharp but they mostly have bad colors. Also, and this is most likely my fault, there are problems with light and dark area's on the pictures. It is a bit difficult to explain but if for example I take two pictures of a running river, one taken with the digital camara and one with the eos at the same position at almost exactly the same time you can clearly see the "definition" of the water on the digital picture where in the normal picture the water is simply white. Both camera's where on automatic setting and I used ISO200 film. Perhaps this has to do with exposure time aswell but since it was daylight I don't think so. Also the contrast between the darker and lighter area's on the digital picture is much better. I do not think the camera is a fault here. Maybe the film I used is, a local brand, and most likely I am. The problem I now have with film is that I cannot judge the result when I take the picture whereas I can when doing digital stills. I was really disappointed with the results of my New Zealand vacation. I do have a few very good pi

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            >I have two lenses with the eos, a 28-90mm and 70-300 mm. That should not be a problem. It would be nice to be able to use these lenses but it is not a "requirement". You won't get much for the 28-90mm (I have one too) though selling it as a kit with the Canon EOS 300 should get you a bit more. Might want to just keep them if money is not too tight for you. The 70-300mm though has good enough resell value, should find some willing buyers for that. And yes, trying out a film you have never used before on a holiday is a bad idea. My condolences :) Though, do check your negatives out. Make sure it is not just your lab which is screwing things up. Print film has pretty good lattitude and dynamic range, certainly better than a digicam. Most of all, enjoy whatever DSLR you get. You can't go wrong between Canon and Nikon and you will have a blast, my 10D is awesome! regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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              Paul Watson wrote: I was going to recommend that you actually buy the Nikon D70 (Megan Forbes just got one) rather than the Canon EOS 300D as it is a better camera and almost the same price. But seeing as you already have Canon lenses the 300D would be better for you (how many Canon lenses are we talking? 2, 3, 10? If just one or two then I would say look into switching to the Nikon D70, it is a beauty.) I will certanly have a look at this camera aswell. I have two lenses with the eos, a 28-90mm and 70-300 mm. That should not be a problem. It would be nice to be able to use these lenses but it is not a "requirement". Paul Watson wrote: As for taking good photos there is only one way to do that, practice. You can learn the theory and ask for help on photo.net though, that is the best photo site on the net. But that is just theory. So true. I know that practice makes (almost) perfect but I usually get good results with this camera using the film I used in New Zealand. Only this time results were very bad. Paul Watson wrote: Just curious but what was "wrong" with your Canon EOS 300 photographs? I have the Canon EOS 300V as well and have, if I may say so myself, taken some good photographs with it. I used mainly Fuji Velvia film. With film photography it is the lens and film that count, not the body. Different story in digital photography. Well, the pictures are sharp but they mostly have bad colors. Also, and this is most likely my fault, there are problems with light and dark area's on the pictures. It is a bit difficult to explain but if for example I take two pictures of a running river, one taken with the digital camara and one with the eos at the same position at almost exactly the same time you can clearly see the "definition" of the water on the digital picture where in the normal picture the water is simply white. Both camera's where on automatic setting and I used ISO200 film. Perhaps this has to do with exposure time aswell but since it was daylight I don't think so. Also the contrast between the darker and lighter area's on the digital picture is much better. I do not think the camera is a fault here. Maybe the film I used is, a local brand, and most likely I am. The problem I now have with film is that I cannot judge the result when I take the picture whereas I can when doing digital stills. I was really disappointed with the results of my New Zealand vacation. I do have a few very good pi

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              Jan van den Baard wrote: Well, the pictures are sharp but they mostly have bad colors. Also, and this is most likely my fault, there are problems with light and dark area's on the pictures. [...] Also the contrast between the darker and lighter area's on the digital picture is much better. Scan the pictures and post the URL, we will give you more advice. And, as Paul said, perhaps, it is just the print that screwed the colors. Callixte.[^]

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                Jan van den Baard wrote: Well, the pictures are sharp but they mostly have bad colors. Also, and this is most likely my fault, there are problems with light and dark area's on the pictures. [...] Also the contrast between the darker and lighter area's on the digital picture is much better. Scan the pictures and post the URL, we will give you more advice. And, as Paul said, perhaps, it is just the print that screwed the colors. Callixte.[^]

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                Callixte wrote: Scan the pictures and post the URL, we will give you more advice. And, as Paul said, perhaps, it is just the print that screwed the colors. I'll see if I can put up some pictures on the web tonight when I get home. Thanks, Jan We are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world. - Tyler Durden

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                  Hello people, I just got back from a couple of weeks vacation in New Zealand where I took a _lot_ of pictures with my Canon EOS 300 camera. When I got these developed and printed I was... well suffice it to say that I was very dissapointed in the results :(( I also had a small HP 3.2 mp digital camera with me which took much better pictures than the EOS 300 SLR. I took picture of the same objects at the same position with both camera's and the difference is astounding. Now I am not a very good photographer and perhaps I did not use good film but the difference between the digital and the normal photo's is to big to just blame myself. To make a long story short I am thinking of going all digital. Since I do want a SLR camera I was thinking of investing in a EOS 300D body since this way I can also use the lenses from the EOS 300. Do any of you know/use this camera and/or have any tips, ideas or alternatives. Perhaps a few good links to sites telling me some more about taking good pictures might help also because I never want pictures like that anymore when I just travelled to the other side of the world :mad: Thanks, Jan We are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world. - Tyler Durden

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                  Looks like you've had some good advice above. If it wasn't for the fact that you have 2 Canon lenses already I'd say go for the Nikon D70. After 24 hours of ownership, I just can't stop smiling! :-D :cool: :-D


                  Look at the world about you and trust to your own convictions. - Ansel Adams
                  Meg's World - Blog Photography

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                    Looks like you've had some good advice above. If it wasn't for the fact that you have 2 Canon lenses already I'd say go for the Nikon D70. After 24 hours of ownership, I just can't stop smiling! :-D :cool: :-D


                    Look at the world about you and trust to your own convictions. - Ansel Adams
                    Meg's World - Blog Photography

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                    Megan Forbes wrote: After 24 hours of ownership In hopes of seeing some new masterpieces, I rushed over to forbesweb. But, alas, I found this. Sorry, don't watch this space - I can't say when it'll be filled... :-D :sigh: ** must learn patience ** Enjoy your new camera, Meg! Loking forward to some new pix! :) BW CP Member Homepages


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                      Megan Forbes wrote: After 24 hours of ownership In hopes of seeing some new masterpieces, I rushed over to forbesweb. But, alas, I found this. Sorry, don't watch this space - I can't say when it'll be filled... :-D :sigh: ** must learn patience ** Enjoy your new camera, Meg! Loking forward to some new pix! :) BW CP Member Homepages


                      "...take what you need and leave the rest..."

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                      brianwelsch wrote: Enjoy your new camera, Meg! Loking forward to some new pix! :cool: Thanks Brian! At the moment I'm the weakest link in this new partnership, I'm off for my lunch hour now to work on that however and learn how to use this beauty properly :-D


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                        The 300D is a very good entry-level DSLR. A lot of people have bought it and have been very happy. You won't go wrong buying it if you are happy with your HP 3.2mp shots, the 300D will do an even better job than that. I have the 10D which uses the same sensor and the results are great IMO. Checkout the 300D review on DPReview for more info. I was going to recommend that you actually buy the Nikon D70 (Megan Forbes just got one) rather than the Canon EOS 300D as it is a better camera and almost the same price. But seeing as you already have Canon lenses the 300D would be better for you (how many Canon lenses are we talking? 2, 3, 10? If just one or two then I would say look into switching to the Nikon D70, it is a beauty.) As for taking good photos there is only one way to do that, practice. You can learn the theory and ask for help on photo.net though, that is the best photo site on the net. But that is just theory. Just curious but what was "wrong" with your Canon EOS 300 photographs? I have the Canon EOS 300V as well and have, if I may say so myself, taken some good photographs with it. I used mainly Fuji Velvia film. With film photography it is the lens and film that count, not the body. Different story in digital photography. I have taken some horrendous photographs with the 300V, but then I have taken some shockers with my new 10D as well. Switching to digital won't make better photographs. Practice will. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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                        Paul Watson wrote: I have the 10D which uses the same sensor and the results are great IMO. Congrats with your 10D, when did you get it? Paul Watson wrote: I was going to recommend that you actually buy the Nikon D70 Well, there is more to it than just the camera body ;) The real investmens is the lenses, the bosy will be replaced eventually, but the lenses are most often not, and they most often makes a bigger investment than the body does. So look into the Canon and Nikon lenses, and deside from that, both the D70 and the 300D are great cameras, and takes good photos (even though I have not seen any D70 shots yet, especially the high ISO ones). Canon lenses seems to have an advantage in both quality and price... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]

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                          Looks like you've had some good advice above. If it wasn't for the fact that you have 2 Canon lenses already I'd say go for the Nikon D70. After 24 hours of ownership, I just can't stop smiling! :-D :cool: :-D


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                          Meg's World - Blog Photography

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                          Congrats with your D70, I hope you'll enjoy it :) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]

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                            The 300D is a very good entry-level DSLR. A lot of people have bought it and have been very happy. You won't go wrong buying it if you are happy with your HP 3.2mp shots, the 300D will do an even better job than that. I have the 10D which uses the same sensor and the results are great IMO. Checkout the 300D review on DPReview for more info. I was going to recommend that you actually buy the Nikon D70 (Megan Forbes just got one) rather than the Canon EOS 300D as it is a better camera and almost the same price. But seeing as you already have Canon lenses the 300D would be better for you (how many Canon lenses are we talking? 2, 3, 10? If just one or two then I would say look into switching to the Nikon D70, it is a beauty.) As for taking good photos there is only one way to do that, practice. You can learn the theory and ask for help on photo.net though, that is the best photo site on the net. But that is just theory. Just curious but what was "wrong" with your Canon EOS 300 photographs? I have the Canon EOS 300V as well and have, if I may say so myself, taken some good photographs with it. I used mainly Fuji Velvia film. With film photography it is the lens and film that count, not the body. Different story in digital photography. I have taken some horrendous photographs with the 300V, but then I have taken some shockers with my new 10D as well. Switching to digital won't make better photographs. Practice will. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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                            I agree with above said. However digital will allow you to experiment at no cost. That to me is priceless. Also remember how green digital is. Does anyone have any clue how much film and chemicals wasted on undesirable pics. I know in US we dump about 1/4 of all books printed because of non digital printing technologies that require large quantities. I would have recommended Nikon as well unless you have a lot invested in Cannon lenses. I also recommend you to check out http://www.steves-digicams.com/ in addition to http://www.dpreview.com/ regards back,

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                              I agree with above said. However digital will allow you to experiment at no cost. That to me is priceless. Also remember how green digital is. Does anyone have any clue how much film and chemicals wasted on undesirable pics. I know in US we dump about 1/4 of all books printed because of non digital printing technologies that require large quantities. I would have recommended Nikon as well unless you have a lot invested in Cannon lenses. I also recommend you to check out http://www.steves-digicams.com/ in addition to http://www.dpreview.com/ regards back,

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                              Imagine the chemicals and methods used in making a CMOS or CCD sensor. Wonder how many rolls of film and processing before it matches one sensor production. Then there are the extra electronics in the body required to handle the sensor and the LCD screen. Then we have producing CF/SD/Memory Stick cards. After that we noew realise to do photography you have to have a computer, either a desktop or laptop. A recent study showed it takes 1.8 tons of materials to produce the average desktop machine. Then backups to CDs and DVDs (I heard those things don't last very long actually). Then we have all those Epson and Canon printers chugging along happily, printing out reams of digital photographs with inefficient (compared to the labs printers which are volume based and efficient) inkjet print technology. And it is just because we think of digital as "free shots" that makes us take more. Cameras will fail quicker as they are used more. CF cards will be upgraded more often. Computers upgraded more often to handle expanding megapixels. The computer mania of upgrade often is taking hold in photography. Photographers who would buy a body and use it for 10 years are now getting new bodies every second year. I imagine digicam users are worse than that. I am enjoying the ease and response of my DSLR, but I don't for a moment think I am being nicer to the environment with it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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                                Looks like you've had some good advice above. If it wasn't for the fact that you have 2 Canon lenses already I'd say go for the Nikon D70. After 24 hours of ownership, I just can't stop smiling! :-D :cool: :-D


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                                Megan Forbes wrote: Looks like you've had some good advice above. If it wasn't for the fact that you have 2 Canon lenses already I'd say go for the Nikon D70. After 24 hours of ownership, I just can't stop smiling! Thanks for the advice. I am gathering all information, reviews etc. about these camera's so that I can choose based on solid information. I am still leaning towards the Canon because of the lenses... Bye, Jan We are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world. - Tyler Durden

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                                  Megan Forbes wrote: Looks like you've had some good advice above. If it wasn't for the fact that you have 2 Canon lenses already I'd say go for the Nikon D70. After 24 hours of ownership, I just can't stop smiling! Thanks for the advice. I am gathering all information, reviews etc. about these camera's so that I can choose based on solid information. I am still leaning towards the Canon because of the lenses... Bye, Jan We are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world. - Tyler Durden

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                                  Check out www.dpreview.com[^] Also pick up a Canon 50mm prime lens (like the f/1.8 Mk II), you'll notice a nice improvement in image quality over the lenses you have now (they seem to be Sigma lenses from the 2pc kit). If you're lacking sharpness from the lenses you have now, you may want to try stopping them down to f/8 when you can.

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                                    Imagine the chemicals and methods used in making a CMOS or CCD sensor. Wonder how many rolls of film and processing before it matches one sensor production. Then there are the extra electronics in the body required to handle the sensor and the LCD screen. Then we have producing CF/SD/Memory Stick cards. After that we noew realise to do photography you have to have a computer, either a desktop or laptop. A recent study showed it takes 1.8 tons of materials to produce the average desktop machine. Then backups to CDs and DVDs (I heard those things don't last very long actually). Then we have all those Epson and Canon printers chugging along happily, printing out reams of digital photographs with inefficient (compared to the labs printers which are volume based and efficient) inkjet print technology. And it is just because we think of digital as "free shots" that makes us take more. Cameras will fail quicker as they are used more. CF cards will be upgraded more often. Computers upgraded more often to handle expanding megapixels. The computer mania of upgrade often is taking hold in photography. Photographers who would buy a body and use it for 10 years are now getting new bodies every second year. I imagine digicam users are worse than that. I am enjoying the ease and response of my DSLR, but I don't for a moment think I am being nicer to the environment with it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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                                    Paul Watson wrote: we have all those Epson and Canon printers chugging along happily, printing out reams of digital photographs with inefficient (compared to the labs printers which are volume based and efficient) inkjet print technology I recently discovered a new service I didn't know about. Instead of using my ink jet printer to make low quality prints, I can upload my images to the Walgreen's website for free, then order prints from my local Walgreen's store. The usual ratio applies to digital photography as in film photography - one usable shot per 100 - so I print only the ones I want to preserve or share. Great savings!:-D Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small

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                                      Paul Watson wrote: we have all those Epson and Canon printers chugging along happily, printing out reams of digital photographs with inefficient (compared to the labs printers which are volume based and efficient) inkjet print technology I recently discovered a new service I didn't know about. Instead of using my ink jet printer to make low quality prints, I can upload my images to the Walgreen's website for free, then order prints from my local Walgreen's store. The usual ratio applies to digital photography as in film photography - one usable shot per 100 - so I print only the ones I want to preserve or share. Great savings!:-D Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small

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                                      Paul Watson
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                                      Indeed, those services are great. To low volume here in SA to have any yet but in London we used them for snapshots and it was really handy. Good enough quality for snaps too. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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                                        Megan Forbes wrote: Looks like you've had some good advice above. If it wasn't for the fact that you have 2 Canon lenses already I'd say go for the Nikon D70. After 24 hours of ownership, I just can't stop smiling! Thanks for the advice. I am gathering all information, reviews etc. about these camera's so that I can choose based on solid information. I am still leaning towards the Canon because of the lenses... Bye, Jan We are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world. - Tyler Durden

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                                        I honestly think anyone would be happy with either line these days. Both lines have great lenses, great bodies and good service. Canon might have a 2% lead in lens quality but I doubt most people will notice. It is a personal preference thing. Which body feels best in your hands. Which lens line is weighted and moulded for you best. Which brand do you like best hanging around your neck. Which brand has the better presence in your area for support and supply. These things will count more in the long run than 0.9% less distortion or 1.1% more flare. Can't go wrong with either IMO. I will tell you what I think of the D70 when I get to play with Meg's in June. Will then compare it to the feel of the 10D because from her sample shots I can't notice much difference. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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