And if you want Targa, we wrote that for paintlib ages ago, but they seem to be slow in version releases nowadays. The mailing list also seems to have died. A shame, because it was very good, it still does a lot of stuff GDI+ does not do natively ( although as I wrote a lot of the filter classes especially ( also not in, if you want 3x3 spatial, gamma, colour, contrast, email me )), although I don't expect it will be too hard to write my own in GDI+. Christian #include "std_disclaimer.h" People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either one being made. The things that come to those who wait are usually the things left by those who got there first.