Jeremy Falcon wrote: the idea was it didn't have to be procedural if you didn't want it to be True, and that is always the case. :) I was just saying get a little more benefit for your effort. :D Scene Graphs are worth the time to put together or integrate. Spatial optimized culling. oooohhhh it's that tingle again. :laugh: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)